I'd have settled for a couple of case by case arrangements ! Perhaps naively or whatever I imagined that one or two big airlines would have been happy to partner with a Fortune 500 company called Microsoft.

I also remember it just struck me as a shame when I was first digging about in MSFS and came across the Liveries button that clicking on it...did nothing. 

Kind of hoped that having bought in to the Premium Deluxe Edition that there'd be at least something there.  Well things have moved on a bit from then now and I welcome it.

I do rate the high quality of the official freebie livery.  Who knows, maybe some airline exec will come across it this holiday season in his / her free time, try it, and make an intellectual leap...🙂.

 

Edited December 23, 20205 yr by Humble Jim

1 hour ago, Mike S KPDX said:

Logo and liveries are specific to the corporations and will not be marketed by others unless by special case by case arrangement.  Some like Delta will never allow this and have stated that.

That extends to some aircraft manufacturers as well.  I understand Honda will not allow any simulator modeling of its HondaJet.  There is an FSX freeware HondaJet circulating out there, but after some threats it has not been touched since 2008.

7 hours ago, sidfadc said:

Wow you full of the Xmas cheer aren’t you? Didn’t you also notice the massive long list of fixes and improvements as well??

Some people geeeez.....

 

He might not be Christian 😉😉

12 minutes ago, Humble Jim said:

I'd have settled for a couple of case by case arrangements ! Perhaps naively or whatever I imagined that one or two big airlines would have been happy to partner with a Fortune 500 company called Microsoft.

It's not an issue with Microsoft, it's what people do with aircraft with their logos on them in the simulator and then screenshot/stream/otherwise plaster all over the Internet.  We're lucky to even have flight simulators, given some of the things that politicians were saying in late 2001 & 2002, but the airlines don't have to let us tear around the skies with their logos.

Similarly, a lot of racing games don't show visual damage to the cars, because the car companies don't want it shown.  Any time there is damage modeling it becomes part of the license discussion.

Edited December 23, 20205 yr by marsman2020

1 hour ago, Mike S KPDX said:

For a commercial product, this would never and will never be the case. 

Logo and liveries are specific to the corporations and will not be marketed by others unless by special case by case arrangement.  Some like Delta will never allow this and have stated that.

Yep .  The third party liveries are likely illegal as well but airlines are either too busy to bother with little guys selling a few hundred or even thousand copies or  evensee it as free advertising.  Microsoft using their livery on default aircraft in a  multimillion dollar game would be another matter altogether - that would be a serious court case in the making.

28 minutes ago, fppilot said:

That extends to some aircraft manufacturers as well.  I understand Honda will not allow any simulator modeling of its HondaJet.  There is an FSX freeware HondaJet circulating out there, but after some threats it has not been touched since 2008.

....  add Bombardier and the Lear jet to that list.

Other companies like Lockheed will allow use but at a ridiculous licence fee, even if it is a WWII aircraft designed at tax payers expense.

2 hours ago, Mike S KPDX said:

For a commercial product, this would never and will never be the case. 

Logo and liveries are specific to the corporations and will not be marketed by others unless by special case by case arrangement.  Some like Delta will never allow this and have stated that.

It already is the case. Ultimate Traffic program in FSX. Thousands of liveries from around the world.

Edited December 23, 20205 yr by desbean

39 minutes ago, desbean said:

It already is the case. Ultimate Traffic program in FSX. Thousands of liveries from around the world.

 

 

Aftermarket addon.

No one is arguing about aftermarket addons. There are probably hundreds out there, both payware and freeware..

The discussion is about why MICROSOFT do not ship real world Airline liveries as part of the default game. Answer is they cannot.

Edited December 23, 20205 yr by Glenn Fitzpatrick

42 minutes ago, desbean said:

It already is the case. Ultimate Traffic program in FSX. Thousands of liveries from around the world.

Yes, and this is being done out of license.  This type of thing was addressed by an addon vender a few years ago.  That is why his package only contained the 'programed' elements, the user was pointed to another site that contained the actual liveries as a freeware component\.

9 hours ago, Humble Jim said:

I must admit though that I'm getting impatient for some actual airline liveries which I feel was an omission and should have been available out of the box.

It wasn't an omission, Asobo and Ms contacted numerous airlines about doing this deal, but then the zombie apocalypse hit and all those airlines had much bigger fish to fry, you know, things like actually trying to stay in business. And not all of them managed that. That's why there were no airline liveries in the release.

1 hour ago, Chock said:

It wasn't an omission, Asobo and Ms contacted numerous airlines about doing this deal, but then the zombie apocalypse hit and all those airlines had much bigger fish to fry, you know, things like actually trying to stay in business. And not all of them managed that. That's why there were no airline liveries in the release.

You can also pretty much guarantee if they HAD managed a licencing deal with lets say United and Lufthansa for the initial release, you would just get heaps of people asking "where is Aer Lingus?"  or Qantas or Cathay Pacific or even Ryan Air 😄 

Edited December 24, 20205 yr by Glenn Fitzpatrick

27 minutes ago, Glenn Fitzpatrick said:

You can also pretty much guarantee if they HAD managed a licencing deal with lets say United and Lufthansa for the initial release

There's an United livery in the sim, but it's only on the generic airliner model Live traffic uses. It will show up on any United live traffic you run into.

There was an Iberia livery in the launch trailer (I think on an A320N) no sign of that in the sim. I wonder if they're waiting to get a bunch of permissions for a big drop, instead of just releasing one at a time.

There's Delta logos all over the US World Update Atlanta scenery (including some static aircraft with the liveries), and one of the Japan update airports has ANA and Japan Airlines logos on some of the buildings. but I assume they can get away with that because it's free, and you need to download it from the marketplace, it doesn't ship with the sim.

 

Edited December 24, 20205 yr by Tuskin38

7 minutes ago, Tuskin38 said:

 

There was an Iberia livery in the launch trailer (I think on an A320N) no sign of that in the sim. I wonder if they're waiting to get a bunch of permissions for a big drop, instead of just releasing one at a time.

 

 

This is a possibility.

 

12 hours ago, Espana Pete said:

Wow, these are amazing. I remember fondly as a young boy standing on top of Heathrow's only terminal (at the time) watching the planes arriving and taking off and admiring the advertising plastered all over them.

(Sarcasm off) Now we can can admire 30 planes in our simulator with liveries that look nothing like real life. What a shame the man hours that must have been spent developing these liveries were not spent on doing something more attractive.

Will anybody on here actually use them?

What this did do is show how Asobo does liveries for those wishing to make liveries themselves. In addition, it opened up how to code some of the xml and cfg files for liveries that are hidden in the stock deluxe planes.

I'm taking these gift liveries to a Christmas "re-gifting" party tonight.....