21 hours ago, HumptyDumpty said:

What I feel that fsx is giving tough competition is mostly got to do with the investment made for the addons , 95% of that base surely would be PMDG etc.. 

I'm sure that is correct. And for me it's the reason XP is still hanging on in there with regard to MS2020. It's hard just to delete a grands worth of addons.

1 hour ago, jarmstro said:

I'm sure that is correct. And for me it's the reason XP is still hanging on in there with regard to MS2020. It's hard just to delete a grands worth of addons.

"holding on" doesn't explain XPs 9% MoM growth.

it can be x-planed (lol) by say (rough numbers) 5% MoM growth of MSFS, and 6% of existing MSFS users switching to XPlane a month (once they have flown over their house for the 30 or 40th time) and never looking back.

Edited February 2, 20215 yr by mSparks

58 minutes ago, ajaybala said:

thanks for the input. What is your approach speed on the MiG21? I keep it at 380 and touch down between 350 and 320.

And apologies to the OP for the Hijack.

Yes , approach is around 380-400 and 320 on touchdown 

2 hours ago, mSparks said:

holding on" doesn't explain XPs 9% MoM growth.

Nor does wishful thinking.😂Simple maths even if you are right which I doubt. - 9% of 150000 (say) for Xp = 13500 new users. 5% of 2000000 for MS2020 = 100000 new users.😂

Edited February 2, 20215 yr by jarmstro

2 hours ago, HumptyDumpty said:

Yes , approach is around 380-400 and 320 on touchdown 

What part of "off topic" and "please start a new thread" do you guys not understand?

When Tony said "if you want to discuss helicopters..." I think he implicitly meant Mig 21s as well 😉

Edited February 2, 20215 yr by Janov

Just now, jarmstro said:

Nor does wishful thinking.😂

It is not necessary, either 😋

31 minutes ago, jarmstro said:

Nor does wishful thinking.😂Simple maths even if you are right which I doubt. - 9% of 150000 (say) for Xp = 13500 new users. 5% of 2000000 for MS2020 = 100000 new users.😂

That's not how churn works

MSFS is making a net loss of users at around 1% MoM (users giving up on it exceeds new users starting)

X-Plane is making a net gain of users at around 9% MoM

So you take your 

5% of 2000000 for MS2020 = 100000 new users.

then subtract 6% of them = 120000 lost users switching to xplane

gives 2000000 + 100000 - 120000 = 1980000 MSFS users the month after

The two are due to cross over by the end of the year at current rates.

Edited February 2, 20215 yr by mSparks

36 minutes ago, Janov said:

What part of "off topic" and "please start a new thread" do you guys not understand?

When Tony said "if you want to discuss helicopters..." I think he implicitly meant Mig 21s as well 😉

Hahaha ya my bad sorry

19 minutes ago, mSparks said:

That's not how churn works

MSFS is making a net loss of users at around 1% MoM (users giving up on it exceeds new users starting)

X-Plane is making a net gain of users at around 9% MoM

So you take your 

5% of 2000000 for MS2020 = 100000 new users.

then subtract 6% of them = 120000 lost users switching to xplane

gives 2000000 + 100000 - 120000 = 1980000 MSFS users the month after

The two are due to cross over by the end of the year at current rates.

Wanna bet? I'm game. I'd bet my house on it. Like for like sales. (I think you may get a rude awakening when it releases on XBox.)

Edited February 2, 20215 yr by jarmstro

7 minutes ago, jarmstro said:

Wanna bet? I'm game. I'd bet my house on it.

no, but only because 

https://news.xbox.com/en-us/2020/12/10/microsoft-flight-simulator-coming-to-xbox-series-xs-summer-2021/

and they are just going to be demanding refunds rather than switching to a better alternative.

 

Edited February 2, 20215 yr by mSparks

13 minutes ago, mSparks said:

no, but only because 

https://news.xbox.com/en-us/2020/12/10/microsoft-flight-simulator-coming-to-xbox-series-xs-summer-2021/

and they are just going to be demanding refunds rather than switching to a better alternative.

 

And if you own an Xbox what is the better alternative? On what basis will they be eligible for a refund?

3 hours ago, jarmstro said:

On what basis will they be eligible for a refund?

We're talking about a group of people that demand refunds if they only get 55fps at 1080p instead of the 60fps they were promised, or a game character seems out of place in the story.

How exactly do you think they are going to react after being told repeatedly over the last 24 months they can fly over an exact rendition of their house at 60fps at 8k max settings in a plane with every button working just like the real thing?

Surprise and delight at the major technological achievement and it meeting their expectations in every way

or

Seething rage at having just blown like $1000 on those promises.

Edited February 2, 20215 yr by mSparks

20 hours ago, jarmstro said:

I'm sure that is correct. And for me it's the reason XP is still hanging on in there with regard to MS2020. It's hard just to delete a grands worth of addons.

This is a real argument indeed, and I spent more than one grand on Prepar3d, and for some time X-Plane, addons.

I finally decided it's better to make a hard cut with the appearance of MSFS. I found it better to stop buying anything for both of them and start investing into the future, instead of further collecting more legacy addons and detecting being stuck in an old system to start over after a couple of more years.

I've been rewarded with so much fun since early alpha and after release of MSFS which was more than worth the switch. And I've never been flying so much within 30 years. thus this money stars paying back quickly.

And no, I've not visited my house 50-times, just twice, But, I've seen stunning landscapes in Vietnam yesterday (no addons required) and the Bahamas the day before (freeware addon). Default landclasses just don't do justice them. And yes, I know how Ortho4XP (and Aeroscenery, if that matters) work, devoted enough time to them. Now it's time for flying.

Not to say, there are no issues, more for the big bird pilots than for me as 172-er. But we'll get there, believe me.

Kind regards, Michael

17 hours ago, jarmstro said:

Wanna bet? I'm game. I'd bet my house on it. Like for like sales. (I think you may get a rude awakening when it releases on XBox.)

I have no doubt it will sell well. As a third-party developer, I'm less concerned with how many copies it sells on XBox as I am on how many of those users will stick around and purchase addons and make a hobby of it. If every single user who buys this on xbox buys one of my addons, I'll take early retirement, but I can keep dreaming 🤪

I'm assuming the majority will be less hardcore simmers, and will treat it as a bit of fun, fly over their own house, do a few challenges and then just move on. I hope MS will try to keep it interesting and engaging, but I think that is much much easier said than done, especially with the next big thing coming out always around the corner

 

15 minutes ago, pmb said:

This is a real argument indeed, and I spent more than one grand on Prepar3d, and for some time X-Plane, addons.

True, but nobody is forcing you to delete all your P3D/XP addons. There is still plenty of enjoyment to be had from these sims and addons, and they'll be getting upgrades as well. I'm more confident XP addons will continue to work in XP12 and beyond and will look very good with the engine upgrade as I am in P3D products remaining compatible.

Many people also predicted that MFS wouldn't need addons throwing huge amounts of hate towards 3rd-party developers, and look how that turned out.

MFS is certainly much more fun and usable out of the box without addons and it's an amazing sim for flying in areas that otherwise I'd never have bothered with, but I'm really waiting for some good aircraft and helicopters. I'd expect once PMDG and others have products out, the numbers remaining on P3D will drop even further.

1 hour ago, tonywob said:

I hope MS will try to keep it interesting and engaging,

I would suppose that's the purpose behind the regular so called 'world updates'.