1 hour ago, tonywob said:

True, but nobody is forcing you to delete all your P3D/XP addons. There is still plenty of enjoyment to be had from these sims and addons, and they'll be getting upgrades as well. I'm more confident XP addons will continue to work in XP12 and beyond and will look very good with the engine upgrade as I am in P3D products remaining compatible.

This is true, and I didn't belong to those uninstalling all their simulators after just watching the first MSFS video. I still keep Prepar3d5, X-Plane11 and AeroflyFS2 plus the most important addons installed.

Despite, I don't find them captivating any longer. At first, there's a certaint amount of maintenance required (re-installing sim/addon updates etc).Second, every sim has its own concept of managing its environment, different keystrokes, yoke button settings etc (plus issues you have to be aware of, MSFS no exception). But most important, and this may include an irrationale element - I just have more fun with MSFS. Shouldn't I?

Despite, knowing me, I am open to give the next generation of all sims a fair chance.

Kind regards, Michael

10 minutes ago, pmb said:

Despite, I don't find them captivating any longer.

No arguments here. At least graphically, my P3D and XP installs are looking dated especially after having worked in MFS throughout the day developing, however my aircraft and scenery for my home country is more accurate for me at present in XP (but only because I put the effort in myself to make the scenery myself, something I don't need to do in MFS and can just fly).

It's funny how much one specific game/simulator can ruin other games for you. I remember after playing through and finishing Red Dead Redemption 2, every other game (including the Witcher, Cyberpunk 2077) just pales in comparison to just how good and immersive this game was

1 hour ago, tonywob said:

It's funny how much one specific game/simulator can ruin other games for you.

This can indeed be a threat to the gaming ecosystem - which like the real ecosystem (or sports) benefits from diversity and competition. I remember a phase where everyone played World of Warcraft extensively - to the point of simply not "having time" for other games - because it was so addicting. Or soccer got boring because Bayern München wins every game 🙄.

But just like similiar "accidents" in the real world (rabbits in Australia?), the real ecosystem and gaming ecosystem will eventually find a counter or the dominant game becomes a victim of it´s own success - failing to innovate and people grow bored of it.

I expressly don´t talk about MSFS alone in this regard, it also pertains to X-Plane (which has failed to deliver the "next exciting wow moment" in the last few years).

But in this context I think it is important for X-Plane to wait until the novelty of MSFS has worn off a bit more so the community is receptive for news about other flightsimulators.

36 minutes ago, Janov said:

... I remember a phase where everyone played World of Warcraft extensively - to the point of simply not "having time" for other games - because it was so addicting.

.. wait, you mean the WoW Addiction phase has ended?

Phew, maybe I can log off now ... just .. as soon ... as I finish this last ... world quest... ok I’m good 😉

2 hours ago, Janov said:

But in this context I think it is important for X-Plane to wait until the novelty of MSFS has worn off a bit more so the community is receptive for news about other flightsimulators.

I would be much more receptive to news about other flight simulators if there was, in fact, some news?

Can I play gatekeeper here and say that I do not want a massive influx of new users into the X-Plane community, especially from MSFS? There are already enough dumb, redundant and pointless questions being asked in the forums day in day out.

18 minutes ago, Bjoern said:

Can I play gatekeeper here and say that I do not want a massive influx of new users into the X-Plane community, especially from MSFS? There are already enough dumb, redundant and pointless questions being asked in the forums day in day out.

Hopefully Laminar Research is brighter than that

Edited February 3, 20215 yr by peroni

1 hour ago, Bjoern said:

Can I play gatekeeper here and say that I do not want a massive influx of new users into the X-Plane community, especially from MSFS? There are already enough dumb, redundant and pointless questions being asked in the forums day in day out.

You can say what you want, doesn't make it particulary wise. It does make it 100% elitism, just like as of late we are used to on Avsim.

New people are always welcome, without new people this is all gonna end pretty soon. And we all started with nothing, no particular knowledge, no particular skills in aviation, perhaps even used to how planes behaved in movies (which aren't exactly a good representation, in general). If you don't want to deal with them, nobody is forcing you.

1 hour ago, Bjoern said:

There are already enough dumb, redundant and pointless questions being asked in the forums day in day out.

Just to clarify - would the be questions in the X-Plane forums, or just all the forums in general?

... from a redundant flight simmer who plays with planes in FSX:SE..

1 hour ago, HighBypass said:

Just to clarify - would the be questions in the X-Plane forums, or just all the forums in general?

"dumb" questions are fine.

Its the questions that were already answered 50 times in the thread, readme, documentation and about 5 minutes ago that sends him roaming the tinterweb pipes with a frying pan.

Its not actually as bad as I was expecting tho, this lot all seem infinitely more intelligent than I was expecting.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/269950/XPlane_11/

Edited February 3, 20215 yr by mSparks

To quote from South Park: "There are no dumb questions, there are just dumb people." 😄

Asking questions is fine, but there is due diligince to be paid by the new users. I think it is rude to wade into any community, spam the most basic questions and expect to be spoonfed how things work instead of reading up and at least trying to figure out things.

There is a folder called "Instructions" in the X-Plane root folder that contains 8 manuals... and most forums have several posts stickied with the most frequent questions answered.

In addition, and I may be a bit of a dinosaur in that regard, but if someone (language barrier considered) fails at the most basic levels of orthography or writing intelligible sentences...I can´t help but form a certain mental picture of that person 🤐 - which in turn makes me want to suggest some other game for him.

1 hour ago, Janov said:

spoonfed

you know, I thought some more on this after I posted and this is exactly the word that came to mind, but for a completely different reason, also

1 hour ago, Janov said:

if someone (language barrier considered) fails at the most basic levels of orthography or writing intelligible sentences...I can´t help but form a certain mental picture of that perso

I think a lot depends on who and how those of us who have been through the grinder want to present ourselves to new users,

young users, who thus far have been spoonfed their whole lives where its commonplace to ask the teacher a question even if it was just answered on the previous textbook page.

old (aka blind), or international, or just only had their computer for 6 months and havent quite worked out how everything works yet.

First impressions count, and how we react to that first contact will be a big part of whether they stick around or not.

A good portion of msfs players quite likely werent even born when fsx was released.....

In my opinion, many people post obvious questions to get a discussion going even if the answer is obvious from Google. One reason I stopped using Facebook as well as the political posts was because of the really lazy questions that would popup such as "What time does the doctors open", probably that person was waiting for a response of sympathy as opposed to actually needing to know or just googling the answer.

Sometimes new users post questions as a way to introduce themselves and just to say something and get a discussion going or to simply troll. There are of course some who are just lazy, but in a world of instant-gratification, posting your question on a forum is not the fastest way to get an answer. I don't have a problem with this, unless it's from customer service type questions where the answer is clearly in the manual.

Before you judge new users for asking a question, please think of how you'd feel entering a new community and wanting to be involved. Don't judge, it was you once. If the new user is simply trolling then that's normally fairly obvious.

On a side note, I really hate when Googling a question (perhaps I'm stuck on a game) and the majority of the answers are Youtube videos that take 10 minutes to actually get to the point after all the 'Smash the like button', 'Subscribe', 'Life History', "Patriots' etc). Whatever happened to nice concise posts or guides? 😁.

47 minutes ago, tonywob said:

In my opinion, many people post obvious questions to get a discussion going even if the answer is obvious from Google. One reason I stopped using Facebook as well as the political posts was because of the really lazy questions that would popup such as "What time does the doctors open", probably that person was waiting for a response of sympathy as opposed to actually needing to know or just googling the answer.

Sometimes new users post questions as a way to introduce themselves and just to say something and get a discussion going or to simply troll. There are of course some who are just lazy, but in a world of instant-gratification, posting your question on a forum is not the fastest way to get an answer. I don't have a problem with this, unless it's from customer service type questions where the answer is clearly in the manual.

Before you judge new users for asking a question, please think of how you'd feel entering a new community and wanting to be involved. Don't judge, it was you once. If the new user is simply trolling then that's normally fairly obvious.

On a side note, I really hate when Googling a question (perhaps I'm stuck on a game) and the majority of the answers are Youtube videos that take 10 minutes to actually get to the point after all the 'Smash the like button', 'Subscribe', 'Life History', "Patriots' etc). Whatever happened to nice concise posts or guides? 😁.

One just has to take a look at the twitter post about Laminar research rebranding to Lamb in our research , and the topic is started on the ORG, Who would have thought..

2 hours ago, mSparks said:

First impressions count, and how we react to that first contact will be a big part of whether they stick around or not.

This works both ways, though. If someone is old enough to find and post on a forum dedicated to a flightsimulator it can just as well be expected from him to conduct and express himself in a certain way, just as it can be expected of the regulars to patiently answer his questions.

Forums are not a customer support hotline and even if they were - the customer isn´t always right, sometimes he is just a moron whose business one can do without just fine. As in "no shirts, no shoes, no service" or "we reserve the right to refuse service to anyone" 🙂