21 hours ago, xviper60 said:

... as well as the ability to do Master/Slave configuration like in XP and FSX.

I meant to ask what the above means.  I am not familiar with the term Master/Slave configuration in the context of a flight simulator like MSFS.  I thought it might refer to hardware based control bindings, but that is certainly common in MSFS.

Al

Edited January 20, 20233 yr by ark

47 minutes ago, ark said:

I meant to ask what the above means.  I am not familiar with the term Master/Slave configuration in the context of a flight simulator like MSFS.  I thought it might refer to hardware based control bindings, but that is certainly common in MSFS.

Al

He means a multi PC setup.  It allows you to fly on one PC with a real life instructor on another PC in the copilot position.

To be honest i always thought it a pretty useless feature only really relevant to flying schools.  Even then FS2020 is not FAA approved so there would be limited demand for it.

Edited January 20, 20233 yr by Glenn Fitzpatrick

Its shared cockpit between two users people have been asking for it in MSFS for while now. Thats all the guy had to say.

Edited January 20, 20233 yr by jbdbow1970

OK, thanks guys. I know what shared cockpit is, I just didn't recognize that's what he meant.

Al

23 hours ago, xviper60 said:

I so completely agree. One reason why I have XP11/12 is because it can be study level right out of the box. It has helped me tremendously with my training. Also, did FSX. I hope that MSFS catches up to that. I have both now and would love to see Study level GA aircraft's as well as the ability to do Master/Slave configuration like in XP and FSX. This would send MSFS over the top especially for Sim Cockpit builders!!! 🙂

 

I don't want to disappoint you but your office chair can be considered as "study level". Believe or not it can tremendously help with your training as well - it's call "arm chair flying" and it's been using for several decades !

The study level for MSFS GA aircraft will be driven by the current shallow simplicity vs actual depth in complexity of the upcomming avionics improvements plus increase in systems depth. Experience with the model-specific Hjet G3000 and VNAV improvements is a prime case in point.  Requires focused study and some repetitive use to learn.  The Hjet is ahead of the curve at this time on this.  Others will come to require the same!  The notion of study level for GA is changing based on these developments, both here and in aviation itself!

I believe "study level" is more than just using a Garmin with an autopilot. It has to have system dept with failures i.e. electronics, hydraulic, engines etc with the mis-use of the aircraft could cause havoc. A2A did that with their aircraft in P3D/FSX I think the Challenger 650 in X-Plane does as well, the closest ive seen in MSFS is the C310 by Blackbird in G.A. We will see what A2A brings to MSFS with the Commanche.

Edited January 20, 20233 yr by jbdbow1970

4 hours ago, Glenn Fitzpatrick said:

To be honest i always thought it a pretty useless feature only really relevant to flying schools.  Even then FS2020 is not FAA approved so there would be limited demand for it.

It's really not at all relevant to flight training, as this is just a sim; it's not as if someone needs to be present to take the controls if things go bad.

Shared cockpit is more for simulating procedures in a multi crew cockpit, and it can be pretty useful in that capacity.

No desktop simulation platform is approved for anything by the FAA.  This is a common misconception among simmers.  The confusion comes from the fact that some devices like the Redbirds are certified as flight training devices by the FAA, and they're running either XP or P3d.  But they could just as easily be running MSFS and we'll certainly see that eventually.  The FAA couldn't care less about the quality or lack thereof of visuals, and only the most basic of a flight model is required.  What the FAA is actually certifying is these devices' ability to be used to simulate instrument procedures, using realistic instruments and realistic controls.  They aren't used to train takeoffs, landings, or maneuvering flight more interesting than a standard rate turn.  Any desktop sim platform could handle it fine.

The hardware is what the FAA is certifying.  They haven't actually certified any desktop sim to do anything.

Edited January 20, 20233 yr by Stearmandriver

Talking about GA and coming out of hibernation this thread, I would mention the WB-Sim 172SP Classic Enhancement which includes improvement in engine management, some failure capabilities, enhanced KAP140 to name a few. Have a look by yourself : https://www.justflight.com/product/wb-sim-172sp-classic-enhancement

Edited January 20, 20233 yr by vbazillio

I will throw in the A2A Simulations upcoming Comanche. They've been top notch for Study Sim's for a very long time..

11 hours ago, Glenn Fitzpatrick said:

He means a multi PC setup.  It allows you to fly on one PC with a real life instructor on another PC in the copilot position.

A multi user shared cockpit is actually available.

10 hours ago, fppilot said:

Experience with the model-specific Hjet G3000 and VNAV improvements is a prime case in point.

And with AAU1 the Hjet has to catch up with the TBM, Longitude, CJ4...

6 hours ago, vbazillio said:

Talking about GA and coming out of hibernation this thread, I would mention the WB-Sim 172SP Classic Enhancement which includes improvement in engine management, some failure capabilities, enhanced KAP140 to name a few. Have a look by yourself : https://www.justflight.com/product/wb-sim-172sp-classic-enhancement

Yes very good mod. The engine seems so real with slight speed variation. Often once in flight, I remember I forgot to check oil level and this add some stress along the flight. This one makes the Butkicker a must have.

10 hours ago, mrueedi said:

A multi user shared cockpit is actually available.

And with AAU1 the Hjet has to catch up with the TBM, Longitude, CJ4...

So how are the Navigraph Charts working for you in AAU1?

Edited January 21, 20233 yr by fppilot