March 22, 20215 yr On 3/18/2021 at 5:56 AM, fluffyflops said: Yup happens with fsl and also gsx. Apparently a dx12 issue, so apparently nothing to do with LM (phew managed to shift that to someone else) Although Charlie the mod on here Seems convinced it's been fixed, when it hasn't. It's there clear as day. I'll also put a punt on it that LM will do jack about it. It doesn't effect their vanilla version, so they won't bother. Don't hold your breath. What was fixed (with the replacement of Scaleform with HTML5) are the severe stutters that were caused by simconnect text windows, like the options menus displayed by GSX, or the text menus from Radar Contact via FSUIPC. Bob Scott | President and CEO, AVSIM Inc ATP Gulfstream II-III-IV-V Sys1 (MSFS20+24/XPlane12+11): AMD 9800X3D, water 2x240mm, MSI MPG X670E Carbon, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, nVidia RTX4090FE Alienware AW3821DW 38" 21:9 GSync, 2x4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2x2TB Samsung 990 SSD, EVGA 1000P2 PSU, 12.9" iPad Pro Thrustmaster TCA Boeing Yoke, TCA Airbus Sidestick, Twin TCA Airbus Throttle quads, PFC Cirrus Pedals, Coolermaster HAF932 case Sys2 (P3Dv5/v4): i9-13900KS, water 2x360mm, ASUS Z790 Hero, 32GB GSkill 7800MHz CAS36, ASUS RTX4090 Samsung 55" JS8500 4K TV@60Hz, 3x 2TB WD SN850X 1x 4TB Crucial P3 M.2 NVME SSD, EVGA 1600T2 PSU Fiber link to Yamaha RX-V467 Home Theater Receiver, Polk/Klipsch 6" bookshelf speakers, Polk 12" subwoofer, 12.9" iPad Pro PFC yoke/throttle quad/pedals with custom Hall sensor retrofit, Thermaltake View 71 case, Stream Deck XL button box Sys3 (DCS/P3Dv4/ATS/ETS): AMD 7800X3D, MSI MPG X870E Carbon, Noctua NH-D15S, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, EVGA RTX3090 Alienware AW3420DW 34" 21:9 GSync, Corsair HX1000i PSU, 4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2TB Samsung 970Evo Plus, TM TCA Officer Pack, Saitek combat pedals, TM Warthog, TM RS300 FF wheel/pedals, Coolermaster HAF XB case
March 23, 20215 yr 11 hours ago, w6kd said: What was fixed (with the replacement of Scaleform with HTML5) are the severe stutters that were caused by simconnect text windows, like the options menus displayed by GSX, or the text menus from Radar Contact via FSUIPC. Unfortunately, the HTML5 menus have their own issues - notably that they do not accept keypresses when the window that owns the menu is not in focus. So if you undock an HTML5 menu and put it on another screen, you can't select options via keypress unless you mouse-click on the menu first. I had to go back to Scaleform menus (with the flashing) to fix this. If LM doesn't fix this in the next point release then I and others in the same boat will be deeply unimpressed; and then you've got Virtuali saying that they're going to draw their own menus in GSX vNext because the SimConnect menus are not good enough. Sigh. There's an awful lot of not good enough in P3D these days. Temporary sim: 9700K @ 5GHz, 2TB NVMe SSD, RTX 3080Ti, MSFS + SPAD.NeXT
June 20, 20214 yr Commercial Member Any chance anyone has been able to fix this with v5.2? I'm still seeing these significant stuters whenever a green text bar is present. Kyle Weber (Private Pilot, ASEL; Flight Test Engineer)Check out my repaints and downloads, all right here on AVSIM
June 28, 20214 yr Something I recently observed is when a text message opens like my tiller steering message in FSLabs A320 it shuts down Vsync. I watch my frames go from 30 to unlimited with every toggle of the text message. If I deactivated messages in P3Dv5.1 no issue. Has anyone else noticed this behavior? I run a native 30Hz TV with P3Dv5.1 set to Unlimited, Triple Buffering On, and Vsync on with no external frame limiters as I have successfully for years. Thanks in advance. Joe Joe (Southern California) System: I9-9900KS @5.1Ghz/ Corsair H115i / Gigabyte A-390 Master / EVGA RTX 2080 Ti FTW3 Hybrid w 11Gb / Trident 32Gb DDR4-3200 C14 / Evo 970 2Tb M.2 / Samsung 40inch TV 40ku6300 4K w/ Native 30 hz capability / Corsair AX850 PS / VKB Gunfighter Pro / Virpil MongoosT-50 Throttle / MFG Crosswind Pedals / LINDA, VoiceAttack, ChasePlane, AIG AI, MCE, FFTF, Pilot2ATC, HP Reverb G2
June 28, 20214 yr Commercial Member 46 minutes ago, joepoway said: Something I recently observed is when a text message opens like my tiller steering message in FSLabs A320 it shuts down Vsync. I watch my frames go from 30 to unlimited with every toggle of the text message. If I deactivated messages in P3Dv5.1 no issue. Has anyone else noticed this behavior? I run a native 30Hz TV with P3Dv5.1 set to Unlimited, Triple Buffering On, and Vsync on with no external frame limiters as I have successfully for years. Thanks in advance. Joe Yes, I see this as well. So I guess I’ll clarify my above posts….it seems the stuttering on my end with the green text bar is cause by a change in refresh rate or Vsync/Gsync changing. Kyle Weber (Private Pilot, ASEL; Flight Test Engineer)Check out my repaints and downloads, all right here on AVSIM
June 28, 20214 yr On 6/20/2021 at 10:11 PM, CaptKornDog said: Any chance anyone has been able to fix this with v5.2? I'm still seeing these significant stuters whenever a green text bar is present. It's a common problem. LM have known about it since v5.0 very common problem with fsl if you have the sticky nose wheel steering notice on.
June 28, 20214 yr Commercial Member Not sure what sort of "stutters" people are referring to. It's normal, even from SFX days to experience a slight FPS hit when a 2D "Text display" window, especially with the scrolling option) is drawn on top of the 3D rendered scenery window. Gerald R https://www.multicrewxp.com
June 28, 20214 yr 54 minutes ago, FS++ said: Not sure what sort of "stutters" people are referring to. It's normal, even from SFX days to experience a slight FPS hit when a 2D "Text display" window, especially with the scrolling option) is drawn on top of the 3D rendered scenery window. It's not that. It's a well documented issue that came up in V5.0
June 28, 20214 yr 4 hours ago, fluffyflops said: It's not that. It's a well documented issue that came up in V5.0 Yep. A know. And admitted bug 5800X3D, 4090FE, 64GB DDR4 3600C16, Gigabyte X570S MB, EVO 970 M.2's, Alienware 3821DW and 2 22" monitors, Corsair RM1000x PSU, 360MM MSI MEG, MFG Crosswind, T16000M Stick, Boeing TCA Yoke/Throttle, Skalarki MCDU and FCU, Logitech Radio Panel/Switch Panel, Spad.Next
June 29, 20214 yr Just to be clear, I’m not saying I’m seeing the stutter issue this is something new I noticed. Vsync gets toggled off and on when a text message appears and then disappears. Sure when Vsync gets toggled off with all my other settings very high I might very well get stutters. I posted this in case it’s something new LM needs to look at in addition to the stutters problem. I posted on the LM P3D forum as well. I believe people are seeing stutters with the text message without running Vsync on which then gets turned off. Joe Edited June 29, 20214 yr by joepoway Joe (Southern California) System: I9-9900KS @5.1Ghz/ Corsair H115i / Gigabyte A-390 Master / EVGA RTX 2080 Ti FTW3 Hybrid w 11Gb / Trident 32Gb DDR4-3200 C14 / Evo 970 2Tb M.2 / Samsung 40inch TV 40ku6300 4K w/ Native 30 hz capability / Corsair AX850 PS / VKB Gunfighter Pro / Virpil MongoosT-50 Throttle / MFG Crosswind Pedals / LINDA, VoiceAttack, ChasePlane, AIG AI, MCE, FFTF, Pilot2ATC, HP Reverb G2
June 29, 20214 yr Commercial Member I’ll confirm that’s the same behavior I’m seeing too. Kyle Weber (Private Pilot, ASEL; Flight Test Engineer)Check out my repaints and downloads, all right here on AVSIM
July 23, 20214 yr I'm second to that. Experiencing this issue since the day I've moved to P3D. Would appreciate if you suggest tricks for overcoming this issue. 9950X3D, X870E ROG CROSSHAIR HERO, Corsair Dominator Titanium 64GB DDR5-6000 PC5-48000, ASUS RTX 5070Ti 16GB, 9100 PRO 4TB Samsung ,990 PRO 4TB Samsung, AX1600i 1600 Watt 80 Plus Titanium ATX, ASUS 360 ARGB EXTREME 360mm Liquid CPU Cooling Kit.
July 23, 20214 yr On 3/22/2021 at 5:44 PM, w6kd said: What was fixed (with the replacement of Scaleform with HTML5) are the severe stutters that were caused by simconnect text windows, like the options menus displayed by GSX, or the text menus from Radar Contact via FSUIPC. Bob, Could you please elaborate on how it was fixed OR how it could be fixed on a user's side. I continue to experience the pattern with stutters that you described above Thanks 9950X3D, X870E ROG CROSSHAIR HERO, Corsair Dominator Titanium 64GB DDR5-6000 PC5-48000, ASUS RTX 5070Ti 16GB, 9100 PRO 4TB Samsung ,990 PRO 4TB Samsung, AX1600i 1600 Watt 80 Plus Titanium ATX, ASUS 360 ARGB EXTREME 360mm Liquid CPU Cooling Kit.
July 23, 20214 yr 25 minutes ago, G-YMML1 said: Bob, Could you please elaborate on how it was fixed OR how it could be fixed on a user's side. I continue to experience the pattern with stutters that you described above Thanks The white transparent dialogue boxes were fixed. The green bar wasn't.
July 23, 20214 yr Okey, thank you guys! 9950X3D, X870E ROG CROSSHAIR HERO, Corsair Dominator Titanium 64GB DDR5-6000 PC5-48000, ASUS RTX 5070Ti 16GB, 9100 PRO 4TB Samsung ,990 PRO 4TB Samsung, AX1600i 1600 Watt 80 Plus Titanium ATX, ASUS 360 ARGB EXTREME 360mm Liquid CPU Cooling Kit.
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