9 minutes ago, sd_flyer said:

I was telling this before and I'm telling this now. If Asobo will release beta builds for general public prior official release: they will save money, stress test their build, and expose all major bugs in few days!

P.S. After more than 20 years being as software engineer I can tell you the best testers are customers LOL

Correct. They can even make the beta an optional selection within the sim. Users will be more than happy to test the next update, and then if it breaks the sim the users can simply unselect the beta and report issues to Asobo, then happily go back to flying in the working version. 

2 hours ago, David Roch said:

Yes, same feeling here.

There are two things that have been sorely lacking from the start with MSFS.

1/ A good product management  

2/ A good QA management  

That there are management problems , no doubt about it. I've been saying that for some weeks now.  

That the problem lies with Asobo might be partially true but partially only. Difficult to know anyway without being an insider. 

However, it is no conjecture to say that the cost of an AAA game goes from 75 MUSD up. MS has not put the money without a tight supervision of priorities and bringing their own methods (QA, production). Add  that the product is a showcase for Azure and Bing. The product head/project manager  is a MS employee. !  The design is at Asobo's but everything else is with MS.  

So the product is as it is because MS has chosen it to be like that. And that includes prioritizing an early release of an unfinished product over its completion and giving a low priority to QA (cf. a pubic alpha which was a telemetry exercise, almost no beta, bugged  updates etc. ). We saw that, 20 years ago, when Take 2 forced an early release of Terminal Reality Fly!2.  

 

Edited March 26, 20215 yr by Dominique_K

I dont think QA is that big of an issue. 20-30 people can't be expected to find the issues 1million users are finding.

I think the problem is they are making too many changes in too short a period. A new update every 3 months would probably be a better way of keeping things in control.

However MS want to keep the casual users coming back (to keep the marketplace ticking over) and that means regular updates

Edited March 26, 20215 yr by sanh

3 hours ago, Fielder said:

All real Americans love Asobo updates! -General George (C. Scott) Patton

😁

 

Thank God i'm not an American!

I dont know why they need a "beta team". Why dont they just make a public beta version and let anyone come try and give feedback. 

50 minutes ago, NightOfDreams said:

Correct. They can even make the beta an optional selection within the sim. Users will be more than happy to test the next update, and then if it breaks the sim the users can simply unselect the beta and report issues to Asobo, then happily go back to flying in the working version. 

A bit like Xplane11 then?

To be fair to LR it works well.

17 minutes ago, eaim said:

A bit like Xplane11 then?

To be fair to LR it works well.

I've never played Xplane but I know FSX on Steam had a beta option and it was up to the user to decide if they wanted to use it or not. People will typically want to use the latest version if it works, and if it doesnt I'm sure everyone will let Asobo know.

Maybe Asobo can keep track of what % of users use the beta and the trend to show if it's working properly or not and have users complete surveys like Activesky does in their beta. The more testers, the more free QA they'll get but the important thing is making it optional until it's thoroughly tested.

Edited March 26, 20215 yr by NightOfDreams

1 hour ago, guibru said:

I know Asobo well enough and I can tell you that you are mistaken. You will see... 

Would you be willing to share what it is you know about Asobo that makes you so clearly optimistic?

 

It's funny how some of you guys are telling Asobo and Ms what they should and how. Ms and Asobo have delivered aaa games and software to millions of people. How many of you armchair quarterbacks have written bug free software to millions of people around the world? 

9 minutes ago, devgrp said:

It's funny how some of you guys are telling Asobo and Ms what they should and how. Ms and Asobo have delivered aaa games and software to millions of people. How many of you armchair quarterbacks have written bug free software to millions of people around the world? 

OK. I've been software engineer  over 20 years.  I believe I have written software for more than million people in US (our software US specific) Also this years I was working exclusively with Microsoft ! And yes I've seen things!

it`s nothing new, all are used to it...  like a streetpicture where drug dealers sell things and so on 😉

it's here 1.03 gb from ms store

While the idea of having some sort of beta testing environment available seems very attractive, there is one complication. MSFS is an exceptionally complex product that involves active and time-critical interactions between our desktop systems and a global network of servers that provide weather and geographic information. It appears that at least some of the problems people have reported involve some sort of geographic dependence (the DFW area being a notorious example). 

So in this instance, a global beta test would require the deployment of at least two sets of software residing both on the desktop and in the cloud. It's certainly feasible, but it's not just a simple matter of granting us discretionary access to a software package on our local systems. The requirement that we all update our desktop systems at the same time probably arises from this demanding synchronized environment.

The update has come..., but it is the same 1.14.5.0 again!

Well... what it is suppose to do?

🤕

Edited March 26, 20215 yr by John Fields

It is 1.14.6.0