I think that there is so much more to fix or improve in this platform than ATC.  Most people, I believe are ignoring it anyway and I have yet to see a video tutorial on any flight which uses it.  

I appreciate that lots of people do use it, but it has been complained about since Flight Simming came into being.  Nothing much has changed.

Granted, it would be nice to have a fully functional and (?) realistic ATC but you can bet your life that Asobo is not going to provide that, especially when 3PDs are doing it anyway, but at a cost to users. The Asobo version will always, in my opinion, be a basic representation of what it really should be. Even fixed, the base version will never be an "immersion factor" and that is probably where the status quo should be.  

I very firmly believe that the only essential upgrade is fixing the base platform before addressing things like ATC.  

Having said all that though, ATC certainly does need fixing.

Tony

What is really lacking is a complete ATC that directs player as well as AI alike. Vatsim and co is players only, 3rd Party can only direct the player out of the way of AI, but never control it. 

That is why the default ATC is important. Having 3rd Party atc that only talks to me (and maybe some useless background chatter that has nothing to do what is actually happening in the sim) ruins immersion completely for me. 

Also 3rd party options are clunky and a pain to use in VR. The default ATC at least has a pretty usable UI. But yeah... if we ever get improvements that will take years. 

16 hours ago, himmelhorse said:

I appreciate that lots of people do use it

I use it, but am careful to use what works and what doesn't, and in doing so it's not too bad.  For example, if my flight plan involves a relatively simple descent I will use ATC and virtually 100% of the time the descent calls by ATC make sense and work.   After ATC clears me for TO I will immediately turn it over to the copilot which is nice to be able to do.  I can't stand the Azure voice so went to Windows off-line mode which although I have become female at least sounds halfways decent.  Plus I really like females, some more than others of course 

OTOH I will avoid using ATC if the descent involves mountainous terrain, and even then it seems a lot better now than it did months ago where ATC couldn't make up its mind where to descend you to.   After clearance for landing I disable copilot control.  Also, it seems I'm being directed into the correct runways for wind conditions that in the past was almost the opposite, so it seems to have improved some at least.

Noel,

I do almost the opposite.

I use it for taxi and take off clearance and after departure I don't tune to the next frequency and that stops the nonsense until I get  close to my destination. I then go nearest airport and request full stop landing etc.

I found, and I have stated this before, that on a flight from YBCS to YBTL (approximately 250nm) using ATC I have about 30 frequency changes, so your idea of handing off to the co-pilot has some merit.  What really annoys me though is 20 nm from landing (this distance varies of course) I have well and truly begun descent from about 23000 feet and I am requested to climb to 30000 feet for example.  It is this sort of nonsense that I simply cannot handle .... If I ignore it I get the constant reminders to expedite the climb etc and thus never get a clearance to land. For me, it just spoils the whole IFR experience.

Another beauty is if I am flying the Cessna 152 for example, I am ordered to keep my speed below 230knots. I do not know about the real world but as far as I know, you are automatically limited to below 250knots flying below 10000feet regardless of what you are flying, and speed is unrestricted above 10000feet.  I understand on approach etc you may be asked to slow down in order to fit into the pattern but on departure it just seems odd.

I am assuming that nobody regards the default, and some payware ATC addons as being totally realistic. The use of it/them probably is governed by individual patience and tolerance.

I do however, like the idea of handing ATC over to the copilot ... you still have to listen to the nonsense though.

Regards

Tony

   

27 minutes ago, himmelhorse said:

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Another beauty is if I am flying the Cessna 152 for example, I am ordered to keep my speed below 230knots. I do not know about the real world but as far as I know, you are automatically limited to below 250knots flying below 10000feet regardless of what you are flying, and speed is unrestricted above 10000feet.  I understand on approach etc you may be asked to slow down in order to fit into the pattern but on departure it just seems odd.

I am assuming that nobody regards the default, and some payware ATC addons as being totally realistic. The use of it/them probably is governed by individual patience and tolerance.

I do however, like the idea of handing ATC over to the copilot ... you still have to listen to the nonsense though.

Regards

Tony

   

Flying a 152 above 230 knots, you would have to be going straight down with no wings. 

2 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

Flying a 152 above 230 knots, you would have to be going straight down with no wings. 

Bob,

That is precisely why I mentioned it ...  it is unnecessary, unrealistic and inappropriate, particularly on departure.

Tony

God I miss Radar Contact  LOL

Don't expect MSFS ATC to be perfect but it does the job IMO.  As a matter of fact don't expect anything to be perfect in MSFS.  Like we used to say in the military - it's close enough for government work.

Cheers

bs

22 minutes ago, gore54 said:

God I miss Radar Contact  LOL

Left RC decades ago. Using PF3 for years. 

I did a flight from Frankfurt to Heathrow, Frankfurt had very poor performance.  high FPS rate but so many stutters.  ATC always works fine until decent.  About Brugge BEL I was told to descend from 380 to 240,  then i was told to contact Paris center.  Paris center told me to climb to 250..... okay...  I should be descending.  Now I have reached the coast of England...at 25,000ft.  So I'm thinking okay EGLL is using the 9s even though the weather is out of the west, but the weather is always inaccurate so I give it the benefit of the doubt.  I get to BGN I believe its the Biggin hill VOR at 25,000.  ATC says slow to 210 kts and descend to 17,000 feet, seems high, okay whatever.  Then 30 seconds later descend 7,000 feet. 30 seconds later contact Northolt approach. ATC says descend 5,000, not possible I am 14nm from the airport at 16,000.  a minute later you are 4 miles east descend and maintain 2,000 cleared ILS approach 27R.  I'm 15,000 feet directly over the airport. I just cancel IFR take a long downwind and set myself up for ILS 27R.... ridiculous.  

A week ago I did Frankfurt to Nice.  I take all the time to set up the arrivals for real world based on Flight Aware paths.  Well I get to 9000 feet south of Nice heading 350. At some point I should be taking a left out over the water to set up for an ILS to 4R.  Nope, I get over land.  ATC tells me to expect VOR DME A 4L and then tells  me climb and maintain 12,000 as I head towards the mountains.  I give up so I just cancel the IFR make a long downwind and eventually join the ILS.  

I only have about a 30% success rate with ATC.

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Some freeware group will rise up to perfect ATC and AI traffic. I have faith in this new, larger community.

ASOBO is only providing foundations. I doubt they'll ever get around to ATC/AI even by 2030.

I hear the PILOT2ATC is compatible with FS 2020.  I understand you have to use the beta of FSUIPC 7 to run it.  My PILOT2ATC is / was currently networked via Wide FS.  
 

Not sure if this is possible with FS 2020...  I looked at the Pete Dawson’s FSUIPC website but didn’t see anything mentioned specifically unless I missed it.

 

Any one else using PILOT2ATC networked with FSUIPC 7?

 

Thanks!

 

On 5/20/2021 at 12:50 PM, Mike S KPDX said:

I use it often in 2020, no problems at all.  Skip any flight planning in the sim, do it all in P2Atc.  Start FSUIPC and away you go - no issues.  I dont think that the producer is doing anything in the near future specifically for 2020 as it works fine.

Can you use P2ATC networked via Wide FS etc...??

I didn’t see any mention on Pete Dawson’s web site.  

 

Thanks!

On 5/20/2021 at 1:17 AM, ryanbatcund said:

I think it's getting addressed in tht next update.

if i was given a buck for everytime on both the p3d, xp11 and ms2020m forums ive seen that copy and pasted id be a very rich man. 

Double post.

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