3 hours ago, mSparks said:

Because they are the two world leading flight simulators in the consumer market space.

Anything else would be like trying to talk about Android phones while pretending Apple dont exist, or NVidia while pretending AMD doesn't exist.

But it's the same 4 or 5 people that have been bickering from post to post for what seems like years now! It's played out! Some of you guys need to take a vacation from the forums!

Tony it's time for a lil more moderation!!!

17 minutes ago, strider1 said:

But it's the same 4 or 5 people that have been bickering from post to post for what seems like years now! It's played out! Some of you guys need to take a vacation from the forums!

Tony it's time for a lil more moderation!!!

there's three residents that begrudgingly use xplane, Flybaby, jarmstro and greazer.

i actually agree with a lot of what greazer says, albeit he often exaggerates, flybaby just repeats what the likes of chaoticbeauty and kratin told him without much critical thinking, and jarmstro values visuals a lot more than most.

Why, exactly, do you think its a bad thing we talk to each other such that it should be stopped?

Edited June 10, 20214 yr by mSparks

4 hours ago, GoranM said:

Actually, @tonywob I think that link to Austins site should be its own thread.  But as it's a sensitive matter, I may need confirmation first.

 

4 hours ago, GoranM said:

If there's proof beyond a shadow of a doubt, I'll look into it further.  For now, it's just a "source".  But to be honest, this isn't the kind of thing someone just emails Austin about for a goof.  Which is why I'm actually believing it.  Particularly as Asobo have said themselves, they are using BET.  A few red flags were waving when that was said, but most of us shrugged it off.

@tonywob Although I would be very surprised if the original email author is genuine, I would agree that as this is being put out there by Austin as something about which we should draw our own conclusions, and as its consideration is being supported / promoted by a prominent 3PD Xplane dev, there's a good case for it having its own thread.

@kaosfere, @MattNischan, as devs working closely with / under Asobo you might like to have a look at / respond to what is being said.

5 hours ago, GoranM said:

At the risk of coming across as egotistical, I'm now curious (after reading that email) as to why they added a TBM as a default aircraft?  But I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and just say they liked the aircraft.  Even if they got most of it wrong.

I guess youtube views matter, right?  Even if some or most of the platform has been plagiarized.

How sweet.

Goran could you explain how the email on Austin’s site led you to be curious as to why they added a TBM, and also why being curious about this would put you, a well-known developer of a TBM, at risk of appearing egotistical?

Edited June 10, 20214 yr by scotchegg

25 minutes ago, scotchegg said:

Goran could you explain how the email on Austin’s site led you to be curious as to why they added a TBM, and also why being curious about this would put you, a well-known developer of a TBM, at risk of appearing egotistical?

No

Boy oh boy some of you guys, especially mSparks, need therapy.

54 minutes ago, scotchegg said:

Although I would be very surprised if the original email author is genuine, I would agree that as this is being put out there by Austin as something about which we should draw our own conclusions, and as its consideration is being supported / promoted by a prominent 3PD Xplane dev, there's a good case for it having its own thread.

As it is a very serious matter, that deserves its own thread, I think any sane, level headed individual, regardless of their "status" as a developer, needs to look at it more closely and consider whether it's legitimate or something that was made up.  If it's indeed legitimate, and further investigation reveals plagiarism, Asobo have a lot to answer for.  If it's from a disgruntled former employee, or just some person willing to stir up trouble, and proves to be completely false, then Asobo have nothing to worry about.  So yes, I absolutely welcome anyone tied to Asobo to respond to it.  Then we can delve deeper into it.  And if they don't respond, well, that tells us a little more.

 

Edited June 10, 20214 yr by GoranM

3 hours ago, mSparks said:

i actually agree with a lot of what greazer says, 

Well xplane has a lot to like, but frustrations too. Demanding improvements is what customers are supposed to do. With regards to any products, the more competition the better it's going to be. And that's the beauty of what MSFS brings. More competition.

Greazer.

1 hour ago, GoranM said:

No

But also…

53 minutes ago, GoranM said:

And if they don't respond, well, that tells us a little more

 

11 minutes ago, Greazer said:

Well xplane has a lot to like

yes

11 minutes ago, Greazer said:

but frustrations too

with an extra dose of lithium, often they don't even leave you suppressing the urge to drop kick the PC off the desk and hit it with a sledgehammer.

45 minutes ago, Krakin said:

especially mSparks, need therapy.

I can't imagine how traumatised using Microsoft's products have left you, I imagine

Is fairly common in your microsoft/windows household.

12 minutes ago, Greazer said:

Demanding improvements is what customers are supposed to do.

Those improvements come in several flavours,

blatantly stupid bugs that we have a duty to report in such a way as they can recreate them to see that they are stupid bugs and fix them, they are very good at this flavour, users, not so much.

stupid bugs that no matter how hard we try we can't get anyone else to recreate them, there is no choice with these, besides making 100% certain its not our fault other than wait patiently for someone to find a way to transfer it from one computer to another.

things we would really really like, but they class as "new features", which we only get if a customer that is paying the big bucks requests. Pretty much everything on the feedback page are of this flavour.

Now, there has been a lot of speculation both ways that this lighting is either for XP12, or an upgrade to XP11. I dont think that decision has actually been made yet, and on the one hand, this lighting is a new feature, but on the other hand XP11 SSAO is by LRs own admission completely borken.

 

52 minutes ago, scotchegg said:

But also…

 

Would you mind getting to the point?  Wait.  Let me do it for you.

If anyone accused me of plagiarism...no...if anyone even HINTED that I plagiarised anything, I would gather anything I could to prove otherwise and take steps to stop the rumors.  And I would do it immediately. If anyone accused of plagiarism remains silent, then questions arise.  "Why aren't they saying anything?  Is it true??"

Unless you have a specific point to make, can you please stop tagging/quoting me in the forums.  

In other words, would you like to quit (particularly the patronizing) or would you like to keep this going after our last private conversation where you were very clear?

 

Oh, small edit.  

"Goran could you explain how the email on Austin’s site led you to be curious as to why they added a TBM, and also why being curious about this would put you, a well-known developer of a TBM, at risk of appearing egotistical?"

No, I don't want to explain what you're asking me to explain because, quite frankly, I'm not obliged to.  Simple as that.

Edited June 10, 20214 yr by GoranM

9 hours ago, scotchegg said:

If I were some of you I would be REALLY curious about why I just couldn’t stop talking about MSFS in the XP forums.

Just like every other post in the MSFS forum goes "....which is much better than X-Plane (right, guys, right?? Say it is so! 🥺)

1 hour ago, GoranM said:

If anyone accused me of plagiarism...no...if anyone even HINTED that I plagiarised anything, I would gather anything I could to prove otherwise and take steps to stop the rumors.

I think we need to be careful to not restart the medieval practices of the inquisition, where you just put out unsubstantiated claims to have someone you don´t like burned at the stake.

The email that Austin publishes provides no proof and has no substance. I am sure that LR personel has also tried MSFS (not me, though 😁) and that it will influence the design of future XP versions. There is really nothing wrong with it.

Accusing someone of plagiarism is something that should not be done without substantial proof... I would be VERY careful with that, even if MSFS has "coincidentially" featured the same aircraft that one sells as a payware developer. Lets not get carried away here, some people here (as Chaotic Beauty correctly pointed out) have already made a total fool out of themselves with the predictions they spouted about MSFS last spring 🙄.

Whats next, someone writing an email about Asobo using the microchips in Bill Gate´s vaccine to speed up terrain streaming to MSFS? 🤪

Edited June 10, 20214 yr by Janov

13 minutes ago, Janov said:

I think we need to be careful to not restart the medieval practices of the inquisition, where you just put out unsubstantiated claims to have someone you don´t like burned at the stake.

The email that Austin publishes provides no proof and has no substance. I am sure that LR personel has also tried MSFS (not me, though 😁) and that it will influence the design of future XP versions. There is really nothing wrong with it.

Accusing someone of plagiarism is something that should not be done without substantial proof... I would be VERY careful with that, even if MSFS has "coincidentially" featured the same aircraft that one sells as a payware developer. Lets not get carried away here, some people here (as Chaotic Beauty correctly pointed out) have already made a total fool out of themselves with the predictions they spouted about MSFS last spring 🙄.

Whats next, someone writing an email about Asobo using the microchips in Bill Gate´s vaccine to speed up terrain streaming to MSFS? 🤪

If I came across as accusatory, it was not my intention, and I apologise for any misunderstanding.  I'm always careful about painting someone in a bad light, regardless how I feel about them or vice versa, and I never directly accused them.  My belief, which is never 100% until all the facts are presented, is simply that.  My belief.  But I remember many conversations in the past that went something like, "Why did they choose a TBM for a default aircraft?" and "Why are they using BET now?  Why not stick to lookup tables?  Why reinvent the wheel?"

Anyway, back on topic.

Edited June 10, 20214 yr by GoranM

I find it odd, that some who spend so much time complaining about XPLANE yet still use it than tell us how good the other is, why dont they just leave and fly the other one, I can only assume it has more problems than they are willing to speak of, as for those from the other that come here, I can only assume that they are jealous of how good xplane really is, but are trying to save face, its those silly smiley face and snarky comments give it away. Xplane gives me all i need and more so,its a flight sim, after FSX which was getting guiet good considering once MS left it alone, than wating there next 2 mess ups, Yes XPLANE has its problems but MS has nothing better to offer. All I see is a lot of people doing a huge money grab before the fire dies down.

XPLANE is here to stay if you dont like it, than let us enjoy what we have.