July 7, 20214 yr https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/06/nasa-is-actively-searching-for-life-in-the-universe-official-says.html Given the distances involved I would think that proof of extraterrestrial life elsewhere in the universe could only be determined by intercepting radio transmissions that indicate intelligence. Has there ever been any evidence that any the UFOs that see to be crowding our skies are communicating with their home planets? If they can solve the problem of vehicles exceeding or bypassing the speed of light could they also communicate back home by somehow having the transmissions bypass or exceed the speed of light? Would we be able to intercept those communications? Noel The tires are worn. The shocks are shot. The steering is wobbly. But the engine still runs fine.
July 8, 20214 yr 10 hours ago, birdguy said: Would we be able to intercept those communications? Probably not. It could be like trying to receive FM signals on an AM radio. Dugald Walker
July 8, 20214 yr 12 hours ago, birdguy said: . Has there ever been any evidence that any the UFOs that see to be crowding our skies are communicating with their home planets? Noel There is lots of evidence already established that this is happening.
July 8, 20214 yr Or... perhaps we're just trying to find it too far away from where it is :-) Flying gliders since 1980 Flightsimming since 1992 AMD Ryzen 5600x, 32GB RAM, GPU Nvidia RTX 3060 Ti 8 GB, 1 TB and 500 GB nvme2 SSD drives, HP 27" 60Hz LED monitor @ 1920x1080, T16000, Hotas from old X52 Pro, Saitek Combat Rudder Pro (2010 model)
July 8, 20214 yr Can't stop thinking of Monty Python when looking at this topic.. "So remember, when you're feeling very small and insecure How amazingly unlikely is your birth And pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space 'Cause it's bugger all down here on Earth" Matt Webb
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July 8, 20214 yr In Edgar Allen Poe's 1835 newspaper article "The Unparalleled Adventure of One Hans Pfaall" the problem of space flight was resolved. Since the ether was everywhere in space and much like our own atmosphere only very very sparse, Poe relates how Pfaall used a mechanical hand pump to continually compress the either into a life sustaining gas. Much like a modern automobile tire hand pump. The lifting force was of course a balloon filled with gas, to wit: "I then took opportunities of conveying by night, to a retired situation east of Rotterdam, five iron-bound casks, to contain about fifty gallons each... The gas to be formed from these latter materials is a gas never yet generated by any other person than myself – or at least never applied to any similar purpose. I can only venture to say here, that it is a constituent of azote, so long considered irreducible, and that its density is about 37.4 times less than that of hydrogen...The same individual submitted to me, without being at all aware of my intentions, a method of constructing balloons from the membrane of a certain animal, through which substance any escape of gas was nearly an impossibility." The animal membrane supplied the barrier, the azote gas supplied the force, the hand pump a breathable atmosphere, and several furry skins enough warmth. Pfaall filled a large cask with water that drained slowly through a partially corked hole into a crockery pitcher below. Which when filled, ran over and trickled on Pfaall's head while he slept. In this manner he was awakened once an hour to attend to his ether pump. Not without incident or drama, but the newspaper proclaimed the mission a success and that life forms were discovered on the Earth's satellite! https://americanliterature.com/author/edgar-allan-poe/short-story/a-voyage-to-the-moon 5800X3D, RTX4070, 600 Watt, one or two 1440p 32" screens, 64 GB RAM, 4 TB PCle 3 NVMe, Warthog throttle, VKB NXT EVO stick, Honeycomb Alpha yoke, CH quad, 3 Logitech panels, 2 StreamDecks, Desktop Aviator Trim Panel. Crystal Light VR.
July 8, 20214 yr 3 hours ago, jcomm said: Or... perhaps we're just trying to find it too far away from where it is 🙂 No one has yet discovered intelligent life on Earth.
July 8, 20214 yr 7 hours ago, Doug47 said: There is lots of evidence already established that this is happening. Like what evidence? If some form of superluminal communication was happening it would be beyond our current understanding and thus, undetectable by us. Edited July 8, 20214 yr by martin-w
July 8, 20214 yr 19 hours ago, birdguy said: Given the distances involved I would think that proof of extraterrestrial life elsewhere in the universe could only be determined by intercepting radio transmissions that indicate intelligence. Yes, but techno-signatures aren't just communications'. Any technology that modifies its environment would be a viable techno-signature. Signs of mega-structures like ring worlds and Dyson Spheres, excessive carbon dioxide in the atmosphere due to burning fossil fuels, methane CFC's and other pollutants, self luminous technologies etc. Quote Has there ever been any evidence that any the UFOs that see to be crowding our skies are communicating with their home planets? If they can solve the problem of vehicles exceeding or bypassing the speed of light could they also communicate back home by somehow having the transmissions bypass or exceed the speed of light? No evidence of such a thing but a good question. As far as we know, you cant communicate faster than light. Information is restricted to the speed of light like everything else. If there are alien civilisations doing this then its beyond our current understanding and thus, we wouldn't be able to detect it. I like the question though, its something that's not explored often. Edited July 8, 20214 yr by martin-w
July 8, 20214 yr 2 hours ago, martin-w said: Like what evidence? If some form of superluminal communication was happening it would be beyond our current understanding and thus, undetectable by us. Every time someone with HD iPhones taking blurry pictures of their friends ‘flying saucer’ (Mom’s kitchen saucer, Dad’s trash bin lid, etc etc), with some clever tricks (fishing line and pulleys), you get all the evidence you need.
July 8, 20214 yr Yes, if an alien civilization has somehow managed to bend the law of physics as we know them, then we may all be in deep doo-doo. If so, lets just hope they are benevolent - and not look upon us as just some insect colony that we ourselves might fumigate...
July 8, 20214 yr 2 hours ago, martin-w said: excessive carbon dioxide in the atmosphere due to burning fossil fuels How would one know what is considered excessive for another planet and how could one assume it's as a result of burning fossil fuels. I'm thinking of a planet like Venus or even Mars. Dugald Walker
July 8, 20214 yr 3 hours ago, martin-w said: Signs of mega-structures like ring worlds and Dyson Spheres I admit my imagination is still stuck in the 20th century but I can't imagine anyone taking these concepts seriously. Why would one build a ringworld in the first place and, if a ringworld is big enough to be detected from here, how could one provide an atmosphere for it in the first place? The concept of a Dyson Sphere, whether a solid sphere or a spherical array completely surrounding a star, sounds impractical, particularly from a maintainence point of view. Maybe a localised array near the home planet would be more likely. Dugald Walker
July 8, 20214 yr 3 hours ago, Doug47 said: Every time someone with HD iPhones taking blurry pictures of their friends ‘flying saucer’ (Mom’s kitchen saucer, Dad’s trash bin lid, etc etc), with some clever tricks (fishing line and pulleys), you get all the evidence you need. Huh... what's that got to do with aliens communicating with their home planet for which you claimed there was lots of evidence?
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