I'm looking forward to seeing what Laminar come up with. I am enjoying MSFS (or at least was until SU5 messed up some of my visuals) but I see no reason to not use 2 sims at once and enjoy what they both bring to the table. In any case, competition is healthy.

Personally, the focus on new weather and surrounding world environment features sounds great. The new trees look fantastic. Hopefully they'll greatly improve the ground textures and maybe use some kind of procedural generation for rocks and stuff.

On 7/29/2021 at 11:12 AM, jarmstro said:

The MSFS sim update 5 has dumbed down the graphics to achieve a significant performance increase. However, and trust me I've played about with every setting, it now looks like nothing special at all. In fact the sim looks awful. Now is the chance for LR to show their metal and get XP12 released. Will they grasp this opportunity? 

+ 10, 000!

58 minutes ago, steve310002 said:

I'm looking forward to seeing what Laminar come up with. I am enjoying MSFS (or at least was until SU5 messed up some of my visuals) but I see no reason to not use 2 sims at once and enjoy what they both bring to the table. In any case, competition is healthy.

Personally, the focus on new weather and surrounding world environment features sounds great. The new trees look fantastic. Hopefully they'll greatly improve the ground textures and maybe use some kind of procedural generation for rocks and stuff.

I most hope, being a water amphibian guy...that they do major work on water surfaces to bring as close to a real life look and wave/water motion as possible. That would be fabulous for my main usage. I love to taxi from water docks...and taxi back to a water dock.  Most of my screenies always has me on the water, or above it.  This would be great if applied! Personal opinion that the best depiction of 'living water' to date, is the nVidia WaterWorks 2 that is used and displayed within P3D v5.2HF1. If Laminar could replicate that...well...it would be wonderful to see.

I had msfs 2020 installed and I'm not blind to the great visuals and potential. But I only fly modern airliners, so the visuals aren't my main concern. So I continue to do my flightsimming in xp 11. This morning, the latest update for msfs 2020 refused to show up in the Ms store (and yes I've read and tried all suggestions). That did it for me and I performed a complete Uninstall. I feel relieved not to depend anymore on the ridiculous update charade from a cynical multi national. 

3 hours ago, beep747 said:

I had msfs 2020 installed and I'm not blind to the great visuals and potential. But I only fly modern airliners, so the visuals aren't my main concern. So I continue to do my flightsimming in xp 11. This morning, the latest update for msfs 2020 refused to show up in the Ms store (and yes I've read and tried all suggestions). That did it for me and I performed a complete Uninstall. I feel relieved not to depend anymore on the ridiculous update charade from a cynical multi national. 

And... since you're probably a 747 lover, look forward for that Classic 742 coming up soon !

There's plenty of great stuff happening around these days in X-Plane's World, and XP12 hasn't even been fully presented !

And, even if not for many other good reasons if, for instance, choppers are your beach, there's really no best choice !  yes i know DCS has it, but even the UH-1H in DCS isn't the best UH-1H among platforms these days... and DCS is a Combat Sim, with limited scenery ( flat Earth btw... what a joke ... )

Edited September 8, 20214 yr by jcomm

11 minutes ago, jcomm said:

And... since you're probably a 747 lover, look forward for that Classic 742 coming up soon !

Yes! Once the new 747-200 is out, I am going to be spending quite a bit of time in XP, no matter how good MSFS might be. I have been looking forward to this new aircraft for a long time.

Edited September 8, 20214 yr by JRBarrett

40 minutes ago, JRBarrett said:

Yes! Once the new 747-200 is out, I am going to be spending quite a bit of time in XP, no matter how good MSFS might be. I have been looking forward to this new aircraft for a long time.

And that's where XP still has an edge. It's payware planes. But the big guns are rolling forward to the firing line in the form of PMDG and Fenix amongst others. .. Once released  I am unsure what even XP12 will have to offer? LR need to pull a unique rabbit out of the hat.

55 minutes ago, jarmstro said:

And that's where XP still has an edge. It's payware planes. But the big guns are rolling forward to the firing line in the form of PMDG and Fenix amongst others. .. Once released  I am unsure what even XP12 will have to offer? LR need to pull a unique rabbit out of the hat.

Detailed , sometimes called "study-level" add-ons can happen in any of the platforms. They are the reason why we have good reasons to use multiple platforms.

In MFS I am a big fan of the PMDG dc-6. In P3D I used the FSLABS a320, in XP11 there are many more I could use, including helicopters, but my preferred so far are still the Toliss a319, the Bell 412 and the Nimbus UH-1h.

Edited September 8, 20214 yr by jcomm
typos mostly...

7 minutes ago, jcomm said:

but my preferred so far are still the Toliss a319

Agreed. The Toliss planes are the perfect synthesis of performance and fidelity. My only criticism is the sounds. The FBW A320 is much better in this respect.

Edited September 8, 20214 yr by jarmstro

1 hour ago, jarmstro said:

My only criticism is the sounds. The FBW A320 is much better in this respect.

...as long as you don't want to turn the volume down or up or are in a replay 😛

1 hour ago, jarmstro said:

Agreed. The Toliss planes are the perfect synthesis of performance and fidelity. My only criticism is the sounds. The FBW A320 is much better in this respect.

Ftsim+ fmod sound packs for many XP11 aircraft are superb, including the Tolisses, I like a lot what he did with the A321 sounds for the CEO and NEO engines.

1 hour ago, rka said:

are in a replay

I often wonder what the FPS cost of recording every flight is in X-Plane?

1 hour ago, jarmstro said:

I often wonder what the FPS cost of recording every flight is in X-Plane?

Were you also actually thinking FF A320? I just noticed you wrote FBW A320. I seem to be having serious reading comprehension issues today. Must be the age 😄

No idea about the fps cost.

Edited September 8, 20214 yr by rka

1 hour ago, jarmstro said:

I often wonder what the FPS cost of recording every flight is in X-Plane?

I have thought about it many times.
I would like to know the answer.

1 hour ago, rka said:

Were you also actually thinking FF A320? I just noticed you wrote FBW A320. I seem to be having serious reading comprehension issues today. Must be the age 😄

No idea about the fps cost. 

eheh, I believe jarmstro meant the sounds in the Toliss Airbus, not the FFA320, and that in that respect the FBWA320 won hands down.

I agree, although I can easily accept not top sounds an even graphics, specially external, in exchange for detailed system, aerodynamics and overall performance.

Edited September 8, 20214 yr by jcomm