56 minutes ago, Swe_Richard said:

 this is somehow my fault?

There is, it seems an inevitable human reaction to an entirely logical problem. A computer does not understand the concept of blame but it understands perfectly cause and effect. The suggestion above that if two users have the same software and one has a problem and the other does not, points irrefutably to there being something on, or perhaps missing from, the problem PC that is not so on the working PC.

This does not necessarily mean that the user of the problem PC is at fault, nor does it mean that the user of the working PC is in any way better than the user of the problem PC.

It simply means that the cause of the problem on the problem PC will need to be found and remedied before it can become a working PC.

So many topics go awry because this simple concept cannot be accepted. 

The topic descends into a personal competition between the one who takes any suggestion that their PC might contain the problem as a personal affront and the person who is just trying to help in the face of an understandable but fundamentally flawed human reaction to something that is in fact pure logic.

Edited August 5, 20214 yr by Reader

2 minutes ago, Swe_Richard said:

Exactly this. 

No, he’s exactly wrong for the reasons I stated.

Do you know why almost all enterprises buy software to do configuration management database, client software inventory, and why they measure known state variances?

Because you can keep issues from happening when you manage from a known good configuration. And you understand the variables which apply across the enterprise.

Why do you think Xbox isn’t having the issues? Coincidence? Luck? Solar flares?

No, it’s because it’s a known configuration state. Testing can precisely tell if there’s an issue. With the thousands of PC machines in the flight sim world, that’s not possible. You have Intel, AMD, Windows versions, OS patch and hotfix versions, hardware drivers, etc.

Again…this isn’t some brilliant concept I came up with today. Search for ITIL and read. 

1 hour ago, neil0311 said:

Wow…let me make this more clear. No one is saying the user is at fault. But when two users, on two machines, are using the same software…and one has issues that the other doesn’t have…you can pin down the cause to something on that machine.

Obviously the application is the root cause, but if the application was the sole variable, then everyone would have the same issues under exactly the same circumstances regardless. And that’s not the case at all. 

An interesting discussion, and your reasoning is clear and understandable.  However, this reply has confused me.  Up to SU5, I don’t think CTDs were a common thing for most of us, so that appears to suggest there were no problems with user PCs at all.  
 

When you say post SU5 the problems can be pinned down to the users PC, you are referring not to a hardware/software fault on the PC, but a bug introduced by MS/Asobo?  If this is the case, MS/Asobo should focus on what they changed, surely?  I understand about the complexity of hardware and software differences through millions of PCs, but an issue not there in SU4 but is there in SU5 suggests the code change needs looking at rather than the users end?

Ah but, XBox is having CTd's there's reports over on the MSFS forum of just that. Granted there are not so many, but they are there.

Edited August 5, 20214 yr by Car147

19 minutes ago, Reader said:

It simply means that the cause of the problem on the problem PC will need to be found and remedied before it can become a working PC.

So many topics go awry because this simple concept cannot be accepted. 

 

Once again. There is no problem with my PC. Full stop. It is, by any definition, a working PC. Everything I do on it, be it running several VMs under Gentoo to playing games on Steam under Windows (or Linux) or be it managing dozens of 50mpix Raw files in Capture One Pro it works. Flawlessly. Without crashes, without hickups without anything even closely resembling an issue with my computer.

So your assertion is simply wrong. Absolutely NOTHING needs to be "found and remedied before it can become a working pc" regarding my computer. It is Asobo that has to fix their app so that it runs as it should on my perfectly functioning hardware. End of story.

Your reply illustrates my point perfectly.

 

23 minutes ago, neil0311 said:

No, he’s exactly wrong for the reasons I stated.

 

Why do you think Xbox isn’t having the issues? Coincidence? Luck? Solar flares?

No, it’s because it’s a known configuration state. Testing can precisely tell if there’s an issue. With the thousands of PC machines in the flight sim world, that’s not possible. You have Intel, AMD, Windows versions, OS patch and hotfix versions, hardware drivers, etc.

Again…this isn’t some brilliant concept I came up with today. Search for ITIL and read. 

But even the Xbox are having problems. Is that down to the hardware as well? Users fault, I presume?

Just now, Reader said:

Your reply illustrates my point perfectly.

 

No it does not. Your pseudopsychological babble ("The topic descends into a personal competition between the one who takes any suggestion that their PC might contain the problem as a personal affront and the person who is just trying to help in the face of an understandable but fundamentally flawed human reaction to something that is in fact pure logic.") was actually kind of cringe to be honest and illustrated nothing at all. You are just plain wrong. My point still stands. There IS no issue with my computer. The issue is Asobos software.

6 minutes ago, Swe_Richard said:

No it does not. Your pseudopsychological babble ("The topic descends into a personal competition between the one who takes any suggestion that their PC might contain the problem as a personal affront and the person who is just trying to help in the face of an understandable but fundamentally flawed human reaction to something that is in fact pure logic.") was actually kind of cringe to be honest and illustrated nothing at all. You are just plain wrong. My point still stands. There IS no issue with my computer. The issue is Asobos software.

So why do some people have very few CTDs, while others have them very frequently? Ok, to be clear, I'm not saying that your hardware has issues or even that it's broken. The point is, certain bugs in a software only come to light in a very specific environment, depending on the combination of hardware, os, drivers, installed software, installation path, etc... So even when there isn't anything wrong with your system, it's extremely important to know all the details about it, in order to isolate a bug. 

I don't know about the others arguing with you, but I do believe there are issues, bugs and CTDs with SU5. It's just that they manifest a lot more on some systems than on others.

16 hours ago, Maxis said:

I only wished he had more exposure and this had more eyeballs in front of it on the level of full fledged press. Surprise surprise just like myself. He works in IT

Well there are quite a few more of us lol 😉

SU5 shouldn't been released for the PC in this state 😉 To many major issues...

Since I removed the Navigraph chart app no more CTD here local... and be careful with those mods out there 😉

7 hours ago, omarsmak30 said:

@Bobsk8 I want to thank you for this video. That Nvidia fix has almost eliminated my issues with SU5! My V-Sync wasn't working, my windowed mode was buggy with camera jumping around,  I had some weird shimmering surrounding any light source plus my annoying CTDs. All these issues (not sure about the CTD, so far I have got no CTD since I switched Nvidia driver but I will need to test further) have been resolved by completely reinstall the Studio driver. Thanks again!

To confirm for whoever read this, indeed the complete reinstall and switch to the studio driver has cured my CTDs as well, did several flights and didn't have any CTD so far comparing to before 🙂

Edited August 5, 20214 yr by omarsmak30

@Reader and @Swe_Richard......if you 2 are done measuring "richards" (use the nickname) I would advise you 2 to cool it it for a while.

55 minutes ago, neil0311 said:

No, he’s exactly wrong for the reasons I stated.

Do you know why almost all enterprises buy software to do configuration management database, client software inventory, and why they measure known state variances?

Because you can keep issues from happening when you manage from a known good configuration. And you understand the variables which apply across the enterprise.

Why do you think Xbox isn’t having the issues? Coincidence? Luck? Solar flares?

No, it’s because it’s a known configuration state. Testing can precisely tell if there’s an issue. With the thousands of PC machines in the flight sim world, that’s not possible. You have Intel, AMD, Windows versions, OS patch and hotfix versions, hardware drivers, etc.

Again…this isn’t some brilliant concept I came up with today. Search for ITIL and read. 

X box is having issues They Are reporting CTDS on the x box x model on the FS  forum

Edited August 5, 20214 yr by Bobsk8

12 minutes ago, omarsmak30 said:

To confirm for whoever read this, indeed the complete reinstall and switch to the studio driver has cured my CTDs as well, did several flights and didn't have any CTD so far comparing to before 🙂

Curious if this only apply to the 20 series or also 30 series and which driver was in use?

1 hour ago, neil0311 said:

No, he’s exactly wrong for the reasons I stated.

Do you know why almost all enterprises buy software to do configuration management database, client software inventory, and why they measure known state variances?

Because you can keep issues from happening when you manage from a known good configuration. And you understand the variables which apply across the enterprise.

Why do you think Xbox isn’t having the issues? Coincidence? Luck? Solar flares?

No, it’s because it’s a known configuration state. Testing can precisely tell if there’s an issue. With the thousands of PC machines in the flight sim world, that’s not possible. You have Intel, AMD, Windows versions, OS patch and hotfix versions, hardware drivers, etc.

Again…this isn’t some brilliant concept I came up with today. Search for ITIL and read.

Explain to me then why X box X is having

 CT D's. Look at the FS forum.