43 minutes ago, Swe_Richard said:

But even the Xbox are having problems. Is that down to the hardware as well? Users fault, I presume?

Overclocking probably.

Or messing with configuration files. 

A.

5 minutes ago, ADamiani said:

Overclocking probably.

Or messing with configuration files. 

A.

Something goes wrong blame the user. Can't make this stuff up.

10 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

Something goes wrong blame the user. Can't make this stuff up.

Naah.. methinks there was a subtle hint of irony in there.

Having never written a single line of code in my life, I have little to add to this debate apart from one question. In the days when Windoze and other programs used to crash with regular monotony, they would often produce a crash report to submit to the company directly involved in order for them to investigate. Is this not a possibility with MSFS or is the programme so complex that running such a tracing tool would slow processing down to a grinding halt?

Edited August 5, 20214 yr by Espana Pete

31 minutes ago, Espana Pete said:

Having never written a single line of code in my life, I have little to add to this debate apart from one question. In the days when Windoze and other programs used to crash with regular monotony, they would often produce a crash report to submit to the company directly involved in order for them to investigate. Is this not a possibility with MSFS or is the programme so complex that running such a tracing tool would slow processing down to a grinding halt?

I'm not sure how it is actually handled, but maybe it does. 😉

Much better SU5 review IMO: Sim Update 5 MSFS | FPS / Performance Analysis | Microsoft Flight Simulator - YouTube

Cheers

bs

2 hours ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

An interesting discussion, and your reasoning is clear and understandable.  However, this reply has confused me.  Up to SU5, I don’t think CTDs were a common thing for most of us, so that appears to suggest there were no problems with user PCs at all.  
 

When you say post SU5 the problems can be pinned down to the users PC, you are referring not to a hardware/software fault on the PC, but a bug introduced by MS/Asobo?  If this is the case, MS/Asobo should focus on what they changed, surely?  I understand about the complexity of hardware and software differences through millions of PCs, but an issue not there in SU4 but is there in SU5 suggests the code change needs looking at rather than the users end?

I think you may be assuming they’re not focusing on the changes. We don’t know exactly what they’ve identified as potential fixes, although some folks appear to think they do.

And I know I’m repeating the same thing again…but this would be a different situation if this was an Xbox issue or one that affected every Windows 10 PC. But it doesn’t affect every Windows PC. So it’s not a question of…everything good —> then SU5 and everything bad —> so roll back update and all is good again.

I don’t claim to know what is causing CTDs, but I’ve been around Flight Simulator for decades, and CTDs were often very specific to configuration. People seem to be forgetting (or maybe ignoring) that fact because it doesn’t feed the “AsObO hAs WreCKed tHE SiM & iT WiLL neVEr bE FiXEd!” hysteria.

Why can I fly on ultra for hours in cities with dense scenery and traffic, and have zero crashes, while other users get 10 crashes in 30 min? The answer is the difference in our hardware, operating system, MSFS installation, installed add ons, etc. What exactly is different is beyond my pay grade, but I have no 3rd party add ons. I wonder if that’s a pertinent variable.

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1 hour ago, Bobsk8 said:

Explain to me then why X box X is having

 CT D's. Look at the FS forum.

I haven’t seen that they are, but then that’s actually good. Should make troubleshooting easier.

Answer for me why I’m not having any issues, and others have reported the same thing? If this was just a matter of “change X was made and it causes crashes” then they could have rolled that back in a hotfix days ago.

It’s obviously not that binary in nature. 

Here is another: MSFS | Sim Update 5 | Performance Boost Benchmarked | 2D Tests - YouTube

Cheers

bs

2 hours ago, Swe_Richard said:

Once again. There is no problem with my PC. Full stop.

Once again…no one ever said there was a problem with your PC. Full stop.

I provided detailed explanations of my point that you appear unwilling or unable to understand.

4 minutes ago, neil0311 said:

Once again…no one ever said there was a problem with your PC. Full stop.

I provided detailed explanations of my point that you appear unwilling or unable to understand.

You do realize that was my response to the individual claiming that my pc was at fault, right? He stated "it simply means that the cause of the problem on the problem PC will need to be found and remedied before it can become a working PC. "

Which was a completely and utterly wrong statement. Yet here you are claiming that nobody claimed that?

15 minutes ago, neil0311 said:

I haven’t seen that they are, but then that’s actually good. Should make troubleshooting easier.

Answer for me why I’m not having any issues, and others have reported the same thing? If this was just a matter of “change X was made and it causes crashes” then they could have rolled that back in a hotfix days ago.

It’s obviously not that binary in nature. 

You must have been sprinkled with lucky dust at some time in your life, or you have stayed at a Holiday Inn Express. . 

This SU5 review is pretty balanced also: MSFS Sim Update 5 - What's New? | Mid-Range PC Performance, CTDs & FlyByWire A320 - YouTube

 

Regards

bs

Edited August 5, 20214 yr by bean_sprout

2 hours ago, awf said:

Curious if this only apply to the 20 series or also 30 series and which driver was in use?

2080. I am not sure what is the version but it is the latest studio driver. 

32 minutes ago, Swe_Richard said:

You do realize that was my response to the individual claiming that my pc was at fault, right? He stated "it simply means that the cause of the problem on the problem PC will need to be found and remedied before it can become a working PC. "

Which was a completely and utterly wrong statement. Yet here you are claiming that nobody claimed that?

All my comments are solely in the context of Microsoft Flight Simulator, the subject of this topic. They are not directed at any other function of anyone's PC, as that would be off topic due to it being irrelevant.

Nobody claimed that your PC was less than perfect, not even I. You yourself have pointed out many times that it is perfect and that the fault lies with what Asobo have done. I do not disagree. What I wrote still stands, there is a problem on your PC, if not, MSFS would be working as perfectly as the rest of your PC does. What I wrote does not mean that your PC is not perfect, nor is it in any way an attack, it is just a statement.

In your case the "problem on the problem PC will need to be found and remedied before it can become a working PC" will undoubtedly be found by Asobo in their software and in due course, the software will be installed onto your PC and all will be well.

For the record, although my PC is not perfect, I am one of those lucky enough to have not experienced even one CTD with the updated simulator, so mine, for the time being, in this context, is a working PC and not a problem PC, regardless of what else might be installed onto it.

 

Edited August 5, 20214 yr by Reader