Just now, Ron Attwood said:

It's 12 quid!

Yeah, but that doesn't alter the fact that what the devs say can alter the expectations of customers and so they need to be responsible in how they describe their product.

6 minutes ago, Matchstick said:

You might consider the plane to be good but I don't think too many will agree that it's compelely accurate.

Honestly, I would have been very surprised if it was, and doubly so when I saw the price, which just by itself should have been informative....

I spent more on my McDonalds meal last night than I spent on this beautiful aircraft. There has never been nor will there be a """study-level""" Ju-52. It's a niche aircraft and there's nothing that will change that. I never thought we'd get such a detailed and accessible model in MSFS and I'd gladly have paid more for it. Plus we get FOUR different versions. ALL FOR $15! The fact that some people are throwing a fit because it doesn't meet their exacting standards is hilarious. Why don't you make your own version? Just learn to code. Get bent. 

3 minutes ago, HiFlyer said:

Honestly, I would have been very surprised if it was, and doubly so when I saw the price, which just by itself should have been informative....

But the fact remains that the expectations some people had of something more in depth than was actually delivered were not entirely unjustified by MS' own statements.

Hence my original point that devs need to be responsible in the expectations they create.

Edited September 30, 20214 yr by Matchstick

5 minutes ago, Matchstick said:

Yeah, but that doesn't alter the fact that what the devs say can alter the expectations of customers and so they need to be responsible in how they describe their product.

Listen to yourself. 😄

1 minute ago, Ron Attwood said:

Listen to yourself. 😄

If you have a problem with what I'm saying why don't you actually try addressing it ?

The fact remains that MS appear to have oversold the accuracy of their plane. If anyone is going to complain that people were expecting too much from it , then it seems remiss not to include that fact.

I'll probably end up buying this but I just bought the AH Electa 10 so I might wait a while.  

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The team has extensively worked to recreate the plane in the most authentic and accurate way possible. We scanned the entire plane with a high-resolution digital scanner to achieve an extremely high level of detail and accuracy.

We even worked with Bernd Junkers, the grandson of the original designer, Hugo Junkers, and also worked with Deutsche-Lufthansa-Berlin Stiftung, an organization that preserves one of the last surviving examples of this famous plane.

To ensure complete accuracy, we consulted with a Lufthansa pilot who actually flew one of the last surviving Junkers JU-52 – the famous D-AQUI and the premier creator of this plane in the digital space, Oliver Moser.

Aviation history junkies and aircraft enthusiasts alike will marvel at the beauty and craftsmanship, as well as the joy of flying the Junkers JU-52. The sky is calling!

The Junkers JU-52 is available today in the simulator marketplace for $14.99.

 

Sounds like what they provided was a graphically accurate representation which some have construed to be 100% accurate in every way for $14.99   

Perhaps it's the expectations that are skewed? 

15 minutes ago, Matchstick said:

But the fact remains that the expectations some people had of something more in depth than was actually delivered were not entirely unjustified by MS' own statements.

Hence my original point that devs need to be responsible in the expectations they create.

Ok.... Its true people can have all sorts of expectations, but those expectations should probably be tempered both by logic, and certainly by history.

So far, the history is that the initial quality of these planes has pretty comprehensively been established in the last year or so.

Asobo/Microsoft create nice-looking mid level aircraft that we've been super fortunate to have received incredible enhancements for, created by the community.

Asobo can and might do more than that eventually, but honestly, that's what the third parties (and their commensurately higher prices) are for.

Also, being fair, almost every third party plane released at a similar price point has so far pretty much been widely acclaimed as garbage, (sometimes with redeeming qualities) and that should be cautionary as well.

For me at least, this plane is well above the average level for that price point.

But of course, your mileage may vary.

Edited September 30, 20214 yr by HiFlyer

Just now, HiFlyer said:

Ok.... Its true people can have all sorts of expectations, but those expectations should probably be tempered both by logic, and certainly by history.

So far, the history is that the initial quality of these planes has pretty comprehensively been established in the last year or so.

Asobo/Microsoft create nice-looking mid level aircraft that we've been super fortunate to have received incredible enhancements for, created by the community.

Asobo can and might do more than that eventually, but honestly, that's what the third parties (and their commensurately higher prices) are for.

Also, being fair, almost every third party plane released at a similar price point has so far pretty much widely acclaimed as garbage, (sometimes with redeeming qualities) and that should be cautionary as well.

For me at least, this plane is well above the average level for that price point.

But of course, your mileage may vary.

I personally got mostly what I was expecting (with a few more snags that I would have expected after being delayed for bug fixing) because I didn't believe after the Aviat MS were capable of more than this.

But I can also understand someone who wasn't as cynical of (or had less experience of) MS's planes to have felt they were being sold more. That's why i agreed with your original post but also pointed out that what the devs say influences expectations as well.

This is a very long video, but here you go, my review of it. Nice of someone to downvote this video, which is 1 hour and 23 minutes long and was only been uploaded about 20 minutes ago, thus they could not possibly have watched it all yet before being critical of it. I don't mind criticism, of course because it help me to make better videos, but when people do that sort of thing, they just make the fact that they have an agenda blatantly obvious lol. Makes it all seem worth the effort of buying the product, a manual for it, several books on the thing, reading them all, spending days researching the history of it etc, when people do that sort of thing. 🤣

 

Edited September 30, 20214 yr by Chock

Life is long and full of salesmanship - who knows, maybe we'll see a Premium Deluxe version that has everything you think was left out. For me, it's more than I expected.

I love this plane! the price is a steal for a so detailed 3d model, every rivet, wow they said that they scanned the real thing in 3d? wow! I'm very satisfied on how it flies. Never expected a study level for $15. Now as a lazy as I am, now I'm waiting for some AP mod someday... 😁

Beautifully made airplane and worth every penny. Just wish MS would one day add some engine startup smoke. That would be just awesome! 

2 hours ago, Chock said:

 Nice of someone to downvote this video, which is 1 hour and 23 minutes long and was only been uploaded about 20 minutes ago, thus they could not possibly have watched it all yet before being critical of it.

 

There is a young female German drummer I subscribe to who gets thousands of likes and always the same 50 or so dislikes that show up within a few minutes of her uploading.   There is either a batch of people subscribing just to dislike everything she does or more likely one person with issues about young female musicians running bots on multiple YouTube accounts who probably has dozens of channels they automatically dislike.

It is the internet just ignore it 😄