Does the autopilot in the Saitek Multi Panel work in the Junkers? Many thanks in advance.

3 hours ago, dresoccer4 said:

has anyone been able to find a tutorial on the autopilot in the Ju? Or a in-sim manual at all?

I can't beleive they would release a plane in another language and not provide an in-depth manual and tutorial, right?

For the German speakers, here are links to manuals. Click on the PDF links, not the web link which appears to be a dead link now.

And scans of manuals available here. I don't endorse the site as I've never used it.

3 hours ago, dresoccer4 said:

has anyone been able to find a tutorial on the autopilot in the Ju? Or a in-sim manual at all?

I can't beleive they would release a plane in another language and not provide an in-depth manual and tutorial, right?

Tested autopilot yesterday. Looks like it works but bugs are present for me. Its a simple tool, only HDG (but it takes a very long time to reach the right direction).

3 hours ago, johnbla said:

Does the autopilot in the Saitek Multi Panel work in the Junkers? Many thanks in advance.

Yes it does!

However, this is an old fashioned AP designed to keep you flying a certain compass direction. That direction can be set with the Saitek HDG knob. As you adjust that knob it will move the upper scale horizontal wheel display in the sim.  To do the same thing in the sim you would use a mouse to turn large the 'heading bug' crank on the right of that scale. Using either method the upper dial will rotate to the course you want to set the plane to fly at.

Like these old primitive 'wonder' instruments you don't just dial a number and expect the plane to fly on that number. You dial a number and as the plane begins to fish for it, you help it along with the yoke get 'er there. And once there, you must now also pull the rudder trim levers to get the plane in trim so as to not wander back and forth directionally. The AP will now keep you on course.

The Saitek panel will set the planes's upper scale and it will display the HDG digits with 3 bright LEDs. You don't need to use a mouse at all. (but if you do use the mouse in the sim you will see the digits change on your Saitek panel correctly to show what you just did with the mouse).

I would say the Saitek panel works perfectly with the 1939 JU-52. I don't have a clue with the modern Asobo JU-52 and have not flown that version very much.

But you can't do anything with the Saitek panel to make the JU-52 AP work any differently than the AP does using a mouse on the sim panel.

Edited October 4, 20214 yr by Fielder

This is where the Simionic G1000 app shines if you want to use a modern AP with old planes because it has it's own "brain" and up-to-date Navigraph database. Works great !

On 9/28/2021 at 11:25 PM, Glenn Fitzpatrick said:

 

I believe they are connected with some sort of rudder compensation in case of engine failure.

 

Should somebody may explain how that handles work at engine failures ?

8 hours ago, 109Sqn said:

For the German speakers, here are links to manuals. Click on the PDF links, not the web link which appears to be a dead link now.

And scans of manuals available here. I don't endorse the site as I've never used it.

 

thanks. but I'm trying to find documentation that ASOBO wrote on their plane they just released. How is your average joe supposed to learn how to fly it? Almost all addons I download come with several pdfs that tell you many different things. this is bizarre to me and a super strange business decicion as it's going to confuse A TON of people. especially casual simmers and xboxers

10 minutes ago, dresoccer4 said:

How is your average joe supposed to learn how to fly it?

Just like with the other default planes: by using the interactive checklist.

 

I assume the JU-52 comes with one.

18 minutes ago, dresoccer4 said:

 

thanks. but I'm trying to find documentation that ASOBO wrote on their plane they just released. How is your average joe supposed to learn how to fly it? Almost all addons I download come with several pdfs that tell you many different things. this is bizarre to me and a super strange business decicion as it's going to confuse A TON of people. especially casual simmers and xboxers

It may be strange but it is the way Asobo have always done it. None of the default planes have a pdf manual. None of the deluxe plains have a pdf manual. None of the premium planes have a pdf manual.   The Husky does not have a pdf manual. The Asobo ultralight thing does not have a pdf manual.

So strange or not it is how they have always worked  the JU52 is no different to anything else they have made. . I believe Carenado addons may be the same with regard to no manuals.

1 hour ago, solito said:

Should somebody may explain how that handles work at engine failures ?

My suspicion is you pull the appropriate lever all the way back.

1 hour ago, Glenn Fitzpatrick said:

It may be strange but it is the way Asobo have always done it. None of the default planes have a pdf manual. None of the deluxe plains have a pdf manual. None of the premium planes have a pdf manual.   The Husky does not have a pdf manual. The Asobo ultralight thing does not have a pdf manual.

So strange or not it is how they have always worked  the JU52 is no different to anything else they have made. . I believe Carenado addons may be the same with regard to no manuals.

I guess we're spoiled with the CRJ and DC-6 which come with great material support (which you indeed pay for).

I had assumed that since the Ju was of a higher fidelity they would provide some sort up support/tutorial/tips/anything at all. Hopefully the community will fill in this glaring omission. We'll add this to the ever-growing list of strange business decisions.

23 hours ago, solito said:

Should somebody may explain how that handles work at engine failures ?

Right engine failure, pull the rudder trim right lever back, left engine failure, pull the left one back. In addition to this, if an engine fails, hold a five degree bank toward the good engine and maintain 80 knots. The slip ball will be deflected about halfway if you have this right. With one engine out, landing flap setting is 25 degrees, and if you perform a go-around, keep ten degrees of flaps deployed.

All those levers actually are on the real aeroplane, is a rubber-tensioned spring and pushrod system which moves the rudder pedals so you don't have to keep pressing your foot down on the pedal to counteract the asymmetric thrust, so they are just big rudder trim levers in an unusual location. The Ju52/3m's design does already compensate for engine failure a bit anyway because the left and right engines are actually mounted more or less perpendicular to the swept-back leading edge of the wing, thus they point outwards quite a lot already. This is very apparent if you view the Ju52 from above. 

The Ju52 will actually fly pretty well with an engine out, because it was originally a single-engine aeroplane design; it had the other engines added to it when it was being marketed as a passenger aeroplane. This is also the reason why it has pretty good short field performance.

So I discovered an odd thing. If I start JU-52 (1939)  on runway with engine running,  autopilot works! But when I start engines manually, take off and then fly - autopilot doesn't respond!

I figured I should auto start JU-52 and remember position of all  "engine switches" on the right side and after then start manually and mimic autostart switches positions. It worked, but not for long! As soon as I decided in flight to mess around "cowl flaps" in flight and autopilot stop responding again. I'm really on the fence here. What "liquid cooling" and "cowl flaps" controls have to do with autopilot? Needless to say no matter what position I choose for them engine temps stays exactly the same.

3 hours ago, sd_flyer said:

So I discovered an odd thing. If I start JU-52 (1939)  on runway with engine running,  autopilot works! But when I start engines manually, take off and then fly - autopilot doesn't respond!

I figured I should auto start JU-52 and remember position of all  "engine switches" on the right side and after then start manually and mimic autostart switches positions. It worked, but not for long! As soon as I decided in flight to mess around "cowl flaps" in flight and autopilot stop responding again. I'm really on the fence here. What "liquid cooling" and "cowl flaps" controls have to do with autopilot? Needless to say no matter what position I choose for them engine temps stays exactly the same.

Detailled modelling at it's best... Been there with the cockpitless aircraft in MS FLIGHT... These new series at least HAVE COCKPITS that look nice and have some functionality  - just don't expect it to work anywhere near reality, just like pretty much everything default you can fly in MFS 😕

Edited October 8, 20214 yr by jcomm