3 hours ago, Chock said:

This is a very long video, but here you go, my review of it. Nice of someone to downvote this video, which is 1 hour and 23 minutes long and was only been uploaded about 20 minutes ago, thus they could not possibly have watched it all yet before being critical of it.

 

But Chock, you were early explaining 3 historically accurate reasons that the Junkers, relatively speaking, 'jump's off the runway effortlessly on takeoff and is not very fast despite 3 engines and that the autopilot only partially works. That this is true on the originals too was not what these critics wanted to hear.

31 minutes ago, Glenn Fitzpatrick said:

There is a young female German drummer I subscribe to who gets thousands of likes and always the same 50 or so dislikes that show up within a few minutes of her uploading.   There is either a batch of people subscribing just to dislike everything she does or more likely one person with issues about young female musicians running bots on multiple YouTube accounts who probably has dozens of channels they automatically dislike.

It is the internet just ignore it 😄

 

Oh I do. Actually I find it funny to be honest, because what these people don't realise is that you have to go to a video to hit the dislike button, which counts as a view, so they are actually not achieving their intent anyway. I just thought it was particularly amusing for someone to hit dislike before the video had been available long enough to have even been watched fully. 🤣

42 minutes ago, Glenn Fitzpatrick said:

There is a young female German drummer I subscribe to

Sina by any chance? Yeah, she deserves all the downvotes. Not!

2 hours ago, 109Sqn said:

Sina by any chance? Yeah, she deserves all the downvotes. Not!

yeah.

Her popularity comes from her ability to feel the nature of a classic song and bring out what made it great in the first place.  She gets occasional disparaging comments from people nit picking technical issues claiming they or someone they know is technically better. I actually know some drummers like that - technically brilliant and beyond criticism from a technical point of view but zero feel for the music, they lack "soul" and you may as well have a drum machine.  She is popular because she has "soul", whereas they may be technically better but without that feel for the songs that good musicians have, they are never going to get beyond local pub band level.

Ironically you get that same issue in flight-simming. Some aircraft just "feel right" and somehow have nailed the character of the aircraft in some indefinable way but there will always be occasional people upset that the figures do not precisely match the numbers in the POH.

Edited October 1, 20214 yr by Glenn Fitzpatrick

Said nobody ever.

Imagine being exposed out in that basket 😞

Alan, thanks for the lovely review. Useful assessment of the sim model and its strengths. And plenty of terrific information on the actual aircraft. Perfect blend.
--M

Still can't get autopilot to function in 1939 model. JU-52 keep drifting to the right never keep steady heading.:(

Also anyone with knowledge of German can shed light on ZU and AUF? Sometime it seems means on/off sometime in reverse! I'm trying to get my head around it! LOL

 

1 hour ago, sd_flyer said:

Also anyone with knowledge of German can shed light on ZU and AUF? Sometime it seems means on/off sometime in reverse! I'm trying to get my head around it! LOL

Auf and Zu can mean 'on' and 'off', however, sometimes their exact meaning is inferred from the context in which they appear, for example Auf (on) can also mean 'open' and 'up'. Similarly, Zu (off) can also mean 'to' and 'stop'. That's probably why the Germans lost WW2; their troops were ordered to advance but they all thought Adolf meant stop. 🤣

Edited October 1, 20214 yr by Chock

http://www.saamuseum.co.za/our-aircraft/66-junkers-ju-52-casa-352l.html
 

Some interesting history on South Africa’s JU-52. She is one of the younger JU-52’s still around and the only one in Africa. The type was in use by South African Airways. Not sure if she is airworthy at the moment but she used to spend time at the airfield I trained for my PPL at… probably because there was a grass runway and it was much easier on the tyres. The article explains the tyre “problem” in more detail.

Was alway pretty cool pulling up to park alongside what was then a behemoth of an aeroplane in a little PA-140.

Until recently, she has graced air shows and was a common sight above Johannesburg on weekends. She could be heard long before being seen. This one sports 3 Harvard engines ( Texan T6) with their unique sound. These engines were aplenty in South Africa as the T6 Harvard was the trainer of choice with the SA Airforce up until the mid 1990’s, after which many were purchased by local private buyers.

1 hour ago, Chock said:

Auf and Zu can mean 'on' and 'off', however, sometimes their exact meaning is inferred from the context in which they appear, for example Auf (on) can also mean 'open' and 'up'. Similarly, Zu (off) can also mean 'to' and 'stop'. That's probably why the Germans lost WW2; their troops were ordered to advance but they all thought Adolf meant stop. 🤣

 

Not quite you are confusing "Aus" and "Auf" :

TLDR

ON/OFF =  EIN/AUS

OPEN/CLOSED = AUF/ZU

 

In terms of mixture think this:

ZU = CLOSED = IDLE CUTOFF

 

as pointed out by kaha300D on the main forum auf has multiple meanings ...

• auf-zu open-closed
• auf-ab up-down
• auf-unter on top-underneath

Edited October 1, 20214 yr by Glenn Fitzpatrick

7 hours ago, Glenn Fitzpatrick said:

yeah.

Her popularity comes from her ability to feel the nature of a classic song and bring out what made it great in the first place.  She gets occasional disparaging comments from people nit picking technical issues claiming they or someone they know is technically better. I actually know some drummers like that - technically brilliant and beyond criticism from a technical point of view but zero feel for the music, they lack "soul" and you may as well have a drum machine.  She is popular because she has "soul", whereas they may be technically better but without that feel for the songs that good musicians have, they are never going to get beyond local pub band level.

 

a great cover of Sultans of Swing that I posted some months ago

 

Edited October 1, 20214 yr by Dominique_K

Anyone else getting a messed up Attitude indicator in the Retrofit version?

Mine has a non reliable horizon that mostly  bares little resemblance  to reality and a bank indicator representation that shows left bank when banking right and vice versa

Anyone have an idea of numbers for the Refit version especially for recommended climb power, max continuous, and a notional cruise setting?

Thorolf's post on the 7th page here is very informative but the 1939 version with the BMW engines seems to have a significant performance advantage over the more convenient refit edition. (I've not actually flown the 1939 much so idk how those numbers hold up). There doesnt seem to be any real consequences to maxing everything out and leaning as much as possible at altitude but curious as to the "proper" operation of this edition.

The practical ceiling (clear skies weather preset) appears to be around 15k ft but maintaining that altitude requires max throttle/rpm/pitch up trim at 160kph. Im sure I could climb higher with some mild manual back pressure on the yoke and crawling at a 100ft/minute or so. But realistically I guess I would stick to 10k ft or less with this plane. I tried this with 50% fuel and 25% payload.

Anyway any information someone has on hand would be much appreciated. My googling hasnt turned up anything so far on the refit edition with P&W engines. And before anyone jumps down my throat, yes I know its not a study level plane and POH numbers might not match up. Mostly I'm just looking for some guidance so that I have an idea of what to aim for while making some Littlenavmap performance profiles.

Edited October 1, 20214 yr by zorg

18 hours ago, Chock said:

Auf and Zu can mean 'on' and 'off', however, sometimes their exact meaning is inferred from the context in which they appear, for example Auf (on) can also mean 'open' and 'up'. Similarly, Zu (off) can also mean 'to' and 'stop'. That's probably why the Germans lost WW2; their troops were ordered to advance but they all thought Adolf meant stop. 🤣

Zu and auf mean "open" and "closed".

"Der Laden hat auf". The store is open.

"Der Laden hat zu". The store is closed.

 

12 hours ago, zorg said:

Anyone have an idea of numbers for the Refit version especially for recommended climb power, max continuous, and a notional cruise setting?

According to a former Lufthansa pilot who flew the Ju 52 for years they used the following power settings:

Take off:                    38" inHG / 2250 RPM
Reduced take off:      35" inHG / 2200 RPM
Climb:                        31" inHG / 2100 RPM
Cruise:                       28" inHG / 1800 RPM

Unfortunately the development team somehow managed to forget to simulate the superchargers. So these power settings are not very helpful at the moment. You basically have to fly with the throttles fully forward all the time. Hopefully they will correct that with an upcoming update. 

Btw. these information are from an excellent book that was published in Germany last year: "Die Ju-52 - mit den Augen des Kapitäns". It covers the Ju 52 in great detail - almost like a type rating. I can only recommend it to everyone who understands the German language.