😃

What a Beauty, 🤗 - awesome work from Asobo in every Aspekt, Detail of the model and the Panel - IMO ! ( for that money )

Are there open doors somehow, if so couldn`t find them yet..

Would be nice ( maybe in a future update ) we could use some kind of Autopilot for longer flights, maybe similar with the AP Panel what comes with the Aeroplane Heaven Spitfire MK1a..

 

But anyway a fine flying JU52, and when the aircraft is fully charged, the take-off characteristics look very authentic to me..

 

Thank you Asobo, worth every penny, IMO !

 

cheers 😉

2 hours ago, psolk said:

It can do medium haul you just have to "fly it"   Depending on load she can get you 900 miles.   At cruise speed that's probably 4 1/2 hours of flight time.  I can think of lot's of places to fly to that are within 900 miles of each other but to your point, what's the point of having an add-on you can't just throw the A/P on and sit back and let the plane do the work for 8 hours.  

You know some people see no point in that and would rather have their hands go numb flying a plane right...   And herein lies "the point" which is just because it's not for you does not mean it does not hold interest for others.  

 I expressed my opinion and do not force it on others. So If doesn't interest me but interest others I have no problem with that.

Also I did my fair share ferry flights IRL 4-5 hours straight leg. So I'm well aware how it is handily for hour, and no I'm not going to do it in a sim. 

 

another spectacular Ju52 event:

On 4 August 2018, a historic Junkers Ju 52 commercial aircraft, operated by Ju-Air, crashed near Flims in the Swiss Alps. All 20 people on board lost their lives. The Swiss Transportation Safety Investigation Board (STSB) investigated the accident

Explanatory video concerning the accident of a Ju 52 on 4 August 2018 - YouTube

 

20 minutes ago, Chock said:

and so it wasn't a N@zi creation.

no one said it was. The Ju52 gained major popularity during that time (battle of Stalingrad) and because it was the preferred aircraft used by the Fuehrer.

Edited September 29, 20214 yr by turbomax

OK - finally bought this and had a chance to experiment with the Askania-Werke AG Lzs4 autopilot in the prewar 1939 Lufthansa version.

How it is meant to work.

1. there is a small crank on the whisky compass this sets your heading bug by rotating the top ring of the whisky compass to the desired heading
2. you can then enable the LZs 4 by rotating the large rotary switch labelled "Kursdteuerung" between the yellow rudder levers on the left side of the cockpit to ON (EIN) .
3. clicking the white cross button on the lower left of the whisky compass will now enable heading mode on the LZs4 
4. in theory the LZs4 should now use rudder inputs to keep your aircaft on the heading you set with the small crank

What actually happens:

1. The crank works as expected and sets your heading bug. if you check with an external app the crank is setting the heading bug correctly
2. rotating the Kursdteuerung rotary switch does power up the LZS4
3. hitting the white cross heading button causes the autopilot to move the rudder to TRY to track the set heading

At this point however it all goes haywire with the AP either looping around or even backtracking the opposite way to the heading you set.  Whether this is a sim issue or a problem with the coding in this aircraft is not clear but something is broken.

 

8 minutes ago, Glenn Fitzpatrick said:

OK - finally bought this and had a chance to experiment with the Askania-Werke AG Lzs4 autopilot in the prewar 1939 Lufthansa version.

How it is meant to work.

1. there is a small crank on the whisky compass this sets your heading bug by rotating the top ring of the whisky compass to the desired heading
2. you can then enable the LZs 4 by rotating the large rotary switch labelled "Kursdteuerung" between the yellow rudder levers on the left side of the cockpit to ON (EIN) .
3. clicking the white cross button on the lower left of the whisky compass will now enable heading mode on the LZs4 
4. in theory the LZs4 should now use rudder inputs to keep your aircaft on the heading you set with the small crank

What actually happens:

1. The crank works as expected and sets your heading bug. if you check with an external app the crank is setting the heading bug correctly
2. rotating the Kursdteuerung rotary switch does power up the LZS4
3. hitting the white cross heading button causes the autopilot to move the rudder to TRY to track the set heading

At this point however it all goes haywire with the AP either looping around or even backtracking the opposite way to the heading you set.  Whether this is a sim issue or a problem with the coding in this aircraft is not clear but something is broken.

 

For a plane that was delayed to fix bugs there's some quite obvious bits of functionality that still aren't working 🙂

4 minutes ago, Matchstick said:

At this point however it all goes haywire with the AP either looping around or even backtracking the opposite way to the heading you set.  Whether this is a sim issue or a problem with the coding in this aircraft is not clear but something is broken.

I guess I can afford not to care very much, as I would have only used anything that primitive once or twice, just to go "Yikes! Those guys were brave!"

And never use that "Autopilot" again.

On the other hand, the plane itself is pretty awesome in VR, especially when you see how small modern cockpits are, compared to the relative cavern in the Junker. And walking back to the passenger compartment is also kind of educational.

(That steering wheel right up against your chest is frightening! The hard metal edges everywhere are probably almost guaranteed to kill you, even in a moderate crash, and that's almost your first thought, being in there in VR) 

So,

looking at the videos I can't tell if the following characteristics of the real Ju52 are modelled, like for instance in the "IL-2 Battle of" version ?

- Airplane has a manually controlled horizontal stabilizer. It should be set to 0° before takeoff, to +2° during flight and to -1.5° for landing. Also, it may be used to trim the flight stick during the flight;

- The mechanical flaps control system can be controlled simultaneously with the horizontal stabilizer, these two systems can be linked or unlinked (by using flaps control buttons). It is important to note that it is possible to render the system inoperable so it would not be able to control either the stabilizer or the flaps by deviating from a standard control procedure described below;

- Before taking off, set the stabilizer to flight position +2°, engage the link and then move the stabilizer to take-off position 0° - flaps will be extended to 25°;

- When airborne, move the stabilizer back to flight position (flaps should also fully retract) and unlink these controls;

- Before landing, set the stabilizer to flight position +2°, engage the link and then move the stabilizer to landing position -1.5° - flaps will be fully extended to 40°;

- Airplane tail wheel rotates freely and does not have a lock. For this reason, it is necessary to confidently and accurately operate the rudder pedals during the takeoff and landing;

- Airplane has separate pneumatic wheel brakes. To brake left or right wheels, move their corresponding left or right engine throttle to 20% or less. Setting the central engine throttle to 20% or less will brake both wheels. Maximum braking efficiency can be achieved by moving the trottle all the way down;

From the videos it appears to me that the simmers are gladly taxxing it using rudder only and maybe toe brakes ?

Edited September 29, 20214 yr by jcomm

3 minutes ago, dobee51 said:

Isn't that popular in Germany?

back on topic: yes, among Ju52 pilots

Has anybody tried using this with the JU-52? 

Radio Range Navigation » Microsoft Flight Simulator

My comment on this aircraft:  I wish more aircraft had a sun roof window that slides open.  Flying it with everything open is nice.

ok guys, I just removed 32 off topic posts from this thread

 

can we try to keep it on topic, please?

1 hour ago, Waldo Pepper said:

My comment on this aircraft:  I wish more aircraft had a sun roof window that slides open.  Flying it with everything open is nice.

It's nice to be able to fly the aircraft with everything open. Carenado and others should be paying attention.

Edited September 29, 20214 yr by Matchstick

I think this is fascinating and fun aircraft to operate and fly, especially in the 1939 incarnation.

Some notes on the autopilot and VOR navigation I've learned by practice.

The autopilot works you just can't expect it to work like a modern one.  It'll only hold a heading, and it can't make big corrections. 

To use it:

1.  Use the crank on the compass to crank the upper compass card to the desired heading.  (The lower one shows your current heading.)
2. Steer the aircraft manually to on or near the desired heading.  It WILL NOT make large changes. It only uses rudder not ailerons.
3. When approximately on the heading you want (the cards are roughly aligned) turn on the AP with the rotary switch below the yoke.
4. Press IN the switch with the fan on in on the lower part of the compass card device.  This selects "heading hold".
5.  The aircraft will generally track the selected heading.  It may wander a bit but will get back on track.
6.  There is no altitude hold.  Trim it carefully and it will generally stay level.  But you have to watch it.

Radio navigation. 

Again, don't expect anything remotely modern.  It can point you towards a VOR and it can offer crude guidance for an ILS.  It will not fly down the ILS beam for you it just provides guidance.

There are three nav-related instruments on the top of the pilot's panel and one on the lower left of the co-pilot's panel. To use them, tune the NAV1 radio to an in-range VOR or ILS.

To track to a VOR use the leftmost and rightmost pilot's instrument .  The one on the right is labelled ZA.1. and it will tell you in a crude way which direction to turn to point your nose towards the VOR station.  If the needle is inclined to the left, turn left, and vice versa.  When the needle is centered you are flying directly towards the turned VOR or ILS.  There is no indication of what radial you are on nor can you tune a radial.  In effect it makes the VOR/ILS work like an NDB.

The pointer on the instrument on the first officer's panel will always point the relative direction to the tuned VOR/ILS, just like an NBD needle. (You cannot, as far as I know, actually tune an NDB with this system, it's VOR only.)

The instrument on the top left of the pilot's panel is a more precise version of the one on the left, you will see the white marker align with the carets if you are heading straight for the VOR/ILS.

The instrument in the top center of the pilot's panel is the ILS receiver.  It mostly provides crude glideslope information with the tiny brown dot in the curved track on the left.  The little dot works like the glideslope needle on a conventional ILS receiver.  If it's high, climb, if it's low, descend; if it's near the center you are on the glideslope.  The needle on the right works like the needle in the VOR tracking instrument - it doesn't tell you if you're "on the localizer"  It just tells you if you're pointed towards the end of the runway and which direction to turn if you aren't.  To get approximately on the localizer be sure your compass card is pointing to the runway heading while you are pointing directly at it.

I don't think this ILS would be much good at CAT II approaches!

Hope this helps.




 

Edited September 29, 20214 yr by Dutch727

6 hours ago, Matchstick said:

It's nice to be able to fly the aircraft with everything open. Carenado and others should be paying attention.

The Piaggio P149 and the Iris Grob Tutor both let you fly with the Canopy slid back as does the Aeroplane Heaven mk1a Spitfire.  The Aeroplane Heaven c140 is happy to let you fly around with the windows open as well (though to be honest it is loud enough with the windows shut).

Carenado are more the exception than the rule here.