2 minutes ago, 6297J said:

Every time I read these forums after an update I thank god I bought MSFS via Steam. Some are lucky and have no issues, many others are not. 

I think it's because the people with problems seek help on this forum and generally want to vent their frustration, whereas of the people who are happy and not suffering these problems, only a few reply to the forum. I am one of these people. Over the last months I have seen scores of comments on this forum describing problems, and I have only once responded that everything is OK with me. I suspect there are many more.

24 minutes ago, Ricardo41 said:

No, it's not.

I've used the MS Store for years, and the Steam store pretty much since it was launched.

Never had a problem with either.

In regards to MSFS 2020, all SU and WU went off without a hitch.

 

Yes I appreciate not everyone has issues with it, I guess Ive just seen too many threads from people having problems with it on Reddit and other forums. Many on there have tried to get a refund from MS and if that didnt happen they went and bought the game again on Steam.

13 minutes ago, 6297J said:

Every time I read these forums after an update I thank god I bought MSFS via Steam. Some are lucky and have no issues, many others are not. 

 Same! So glad I went with Steam. I will never buy anything from the MS Store, never have never will.  I uninstalled it from my Windows system. 

1 hour ago, JSmith2112 said:

Don't forget Game Pass as a cheap way to trial FS2020. If you do decide to buy you can purchase the Steam version if you like and cancel Game Pass at any time.

I recommend the same, that's what I did, and I even could move the main folder to Steam, only downloading the ~1GB of base files. Never had to re-download the whole sim.

Sorry, I don't like the MS Store. Maybe it works ok for most people, but just looking at the folder structure that stores the apps inside a path with weird folder names like Microsoft.FlightSimulator_8wekyb3d8bbwe creeps me out. 

Edited October 1, 20214 yr by pstrub

9 minutes ago, AviatorMan said:

I think it's because the people with problems seek help on this forum and generally want to vent their frustration, whereas of the people who are happy and not suffering these problems, only a few reply to the forum. I am one of these people. Over the last months I have seen scores of comments on this forum describing problems, and I have only once responded that everything is OK with me. I suspect there are many more.

And yet how many people come here to raise issues with updates after having bought MSFS on Steam? I can't recall seeing one. 

Thanks Steam it is...

Was the weather fixed or would you recommend to get a real weather addon like Rex?

Weather is not perfect but quite good in terms of accuracy, much better than the early days and there are more improvements coming in the next few sim updates.  Overall weather depiction blows away previous sims IMHO.

I bought Rex early on because the weather often did not resemble real life at all but I haven’t used it in for a long time now.

28 minutes ago, ThrottleUp said:

Yes I appreciate not everyone has issues with it, I guess Ive just seen too many threads from people having problems with it on Reddit and other forums. Many on there have tried to get a refund from MS and if that didnt happen they went and bought the game again on Steam.

 Same! So glad I went with Steam. I will never buy anything from the MS Store, never have never will.  I uninstalled it from my Windows system. 

I've had the odd issue with the MS Store version of MSFS, but that was generally during the first few updates, as I've got used to the methods of installing and updating the sim, things have been more straight forward.

It's as well to be aware that if you see ten posts on Avsim or elsewhere saying either Steam or the MS store is causing those ten users problems, that this is out of literally millions of users. I'll leave you to draw your own conclusion on whether it's more likely this indicates a problem on the user end for those ten people, or a problem with a distribution system which millions of people are apparently using without issue.

I use the MS Store and I use Steam too, and I never really have any insurmountable problems with either of them. Now I will grant that problems with a PC can sometimes be difficult to pin down, and they can be frustrating and annoying, but I'd bet any amount of money that the overwhelming majority of issues people have with MSFS, either via Steam or the MS Store, are an issue at the user end and not at the server end, or indicative of any genuine problem with the software itself.

Edited October 1, 20214 yr by Chock

7 minutes ago, Chock said:

It's as well to be aware that if you see ten posts on Avsim or elsewhere saying either Steam or the MS store is causing those ten users problems, that this is out of literally millions of users.

This is exactly my point. We don't see ten posts from Steam users, we see all ten from MS Store users. If you extrapolate that to the literally thousands of users (millions? really?) then the conclusions are pretty obvious.  

Edited October 1, 20214 yr by 6297J

58 minutes ago, Shomron said:

Thanks Steam it is...

Was the weather fixed or would you recommend to get a real weather addon like Rex?

If at any point you might consider using MSFS on an Xbox, you have to buy it from the MS Store - the Steam version doesn't include the play anywhere option, it's PC only.

I enjoy gaming from time to time, but never ever would I buy a console for it, so this point was irrelevant to me, and I bought it on Steam. Also keep in mind that the updates typically are released 30-60 minutes earlier for the MS Store version than on Steam, and so far the closed betas were only offered to MS Store users, Steam users haven't had a chance to beta-test as of yet.

This is irrelevant for many users, but better to know all the differences before taking the decision. I've seen several posts by  disappointed Steam users when the Xbox version of MSFS was released and they were hoping to fly on their Xbox. They had better bought the MS Store version...

 

30 minutes ago, 6297J said:

This is exactly my point. We don't see ten posts from Steam users, we see all ten from MS Store users. If you extrapolate that to the literally thousands of users (millions? really?) then the conclusions are pretty obvious.  

Nope, they are not pretty obvious at all. We'd more likely see problematic posts with Steam-based software on the Steam forums, because that's where they'd more likely get a response. I know this from experience with Steam because I've been using it for nearly twenty years and have literally hundreds of games and other software on my Steam account. For example, the last time I had an issue with some software on Steam (this being Taleworld's Mount and Blade Bannerlord would not start up), after several days trying to find a solution, a number of Steam users including myself, communicating via the Steam forum for that product, were able to track down the issue, which turned out to be a specific tick box option for Windows language settings. There was no solution for this to be found via Google outside of the Steam forums, it was all figured out via the Steam product forum.

It is in fact this experience with Steam which led me to choose going with the MS Store for MSFS rather than Steam, even though I use Steam a lot and like it, because I know from experience that there were some limitations on MS FSX-SE purchases via Steam which were not the case when purchased via other means. Now in fairness, where MSFS is concerned, this is also true with MSFS built-in store purchases, such as weaponry not showing on these, but with my MSFS version from the MS store, I am in no way tied to Steam for any add-ons, so it's one less third party in the loop.

Not trying to put people off using Steam version of MSFS here, but this was the conclusion I drew with MS flight sim based on the previous iteration of it which I do have via Steam and which did end up occasionally costing me more money, for example when I bought Active Sky for FSX-SE via Steam, because that was outside of the developer's website, they had no record of my purchase on their own database through which they could apply a discount, so when I bought Active Sky for P3D, I had to pay full price for it rather than gain an upgrade discount, which an external purchase, not via Steam, would have granted me. Similarly, several add-on aeroplanes purchased via Steam for FSX had limited paint jobs included with them as a result of the more difficult process of clearing the copyright for a Steam app than was the case if purchased via an external web store, The FSX-SE Virtavia B1 Bomber is an example of this, and I'm sure everyone remembers the laughable Steam issue which compelled them to refer to the FSX-SE version sold via Steam of the DC-3, whereby it had to be referred to as the McDonnell-Douglas DC-3 because of copyright. So as much as I like Steam, it's not always something I'd choose to use if there is an alternative.

As I say, if Steam floats people's boat for MSFS, then that's up to them, but the above experiences led me to conclude it was not the wisest purchase route for MSFS.

Edited October 1, 20214 yr by Chock

 

17 minutes ago, 6297J said:

This is exactly my point. We don't see ten posts from Steam users, we see all ten from MS Store users. If you extrapolate that to the literally thousands of users (millions? really?) then the conclusions are pretty obvious.  

1/ Absolutely, you never see anybody having problem with Steam but see tens of users, often knowledgeable users, having problems with the MS Store in the updates.  

2/ The issue that it is not a significant sample  as there are millions of users is completely irrelevant. We are not in charge of the world at large, thank Heavens. We are a community of simmers at Avsim trying helping each other out. In this community as reflected by its forum there is a trend which clearly shows that Stream is friendlier than the MS Store for the updates. 

 

Edited October 1, 20214 yr by Dominique_K

I will leave to the honorable Chock the last word. 🤣. Personally I find the word farcical a bit excessive, I'd say unfriendly . But again I am on Steam, how would I know !

Edited October 1, 20214 yr by Dominique_K

21 hours ago, kaosfere said:

Just didn't want the general feelings about the Marketplace here to lead to giving incorrect/incomplete advice. 🙂

And don't forget, that beside funding 3PDs it is also important to fund the folks at ASOBO and Working Title. And this is not meant to be sarcasm. 😄 I really want this sim to be profitable to you guys (also for egoistic reasons).

Edited October 1, 20214 yr by tweekz

Just now, tweekz said:

And don't forget, that beside funding 3PDs it is also important to fund the folks at ASOBO and Working Title. And this is not meant to be sarcasm. 😄 I really want this sim to be profitable to you guys (also for egoistic reasons).

Nobody knows the details of the contract between Asobo and Microsoft.  I doubt that the French company gets a return out of the 3PD sales at the MS Store.