Pop OS working on both :

Mid 2010

Macbook Pro 2018 (secure boot is disabled ) nice nice nice

3 hours ago, Humpty said:

Pop OS working on both :

Mid 2010

Macbook Pro 2018 (secure boot is disabled ) nice nice nice

I'll pull the video out from the XP12 update thread that lead to this for anyone wondering where it came from:

Haven't swapped to popOS (on FC34, FC35 update should release tomorrow), but that video did encourage me to try Gnome again after being very sticky on KDE.

Default gnome is nowhere near as polished as in that video, and its going to take a little while for me to get used to some of the behaviour, but I see now why its so popular, everything on my desktop works really nicely now (KDE bugs have been something of a pain since switching from FC33 to FC34, clipboard randomly giving up, odd kde services randomly dieing various other annoyances), what I see most is how Windows 11 went more "Gnome", just without half the really nice features.

So yeah, not just a viable alternative to windows 11, but potentially a preferable one for the majority of desktop PCs.

Edited October 25, 20214 yr by mSparks

6 hours ago, Humpty said:

Pop OS working on both :

Mid 2010

Macbook Pro 2018 (secure boot is disabled ) nice nice nice

But what's the point? Really, what's the point? Both MSFS and XP11 run just fine with Windows  and without any struggle and grief? 

52 minutes ago, jarmstro said:

But what's the point? Really, what's the point? Both MSFS and XP11 run just fine with Windows  and without any struggle and grief? 

Yeah good point ! no point when it runs fine.  Just wanted to retry Pop after a couple of years that's about.

1 hour ago, jarmstro said:

But what's the point? Really, what's the point? Both MSFS and XP11 run just fine with Windows  and without any struggle and grief? 

Main reason I left windows behind was productivity and stability.

You just can't beat the productivity of turning 3 monitors into 15 and every click take seconds or fractions of a second instead of minutes when you have 100 browser tabs open and 30 applications running (half of which dont even run on windows without WSL, or like blender run but at half the speed on the same hardware).

All while running for months without a single "this application is not responding" message like you get on windows several times an hour.

I dumped windows completely when their spyware network went down and the start menu stopped working for a week until they fixed it, I think a lot of windows users missed that because its not uncommon for them to go more than a week unable to quite bring themselves to even switch their machine on.

Whats the point of windows? Its not even a good choice if you must use MS office or Photoshop (hilariously MacOS wins there hands down), and high performance games consoles have been a thing for a decade.

1 hour ago, jarmstro said:

But what's the point? Really, what's the point? Both MSFS and XP11 run just fine with Windows  and without any struggle and grief? 

Privacy: data collection, tracking across the web, etc... I prefer to be the customer not the product!

There is no Customization in win. It's also bloated and slow. The unwanted apps and unwanted updates. I want to control my pc! 

+ it's big tech. monopolies are never a good thing, to big to fail = a lot of lobbyist.  

1 hour ago, strider1 said:

 to big to fail = a lot of lobbyist. 

Its "probably" a lot worse than that.

A lot of the antitrust restrictions Microsoft was subject to apparently recently expired,

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/microsoft-has-evaded-the-antitrust-scrutiny-of-its-rivals-playing-the-white-knight-11624897722

so a good chance Windows 11 is all about doing the things they were not allowed to by law for windows 10, and of course incorporating the latest updates to

But I don't want to be totally negative, so I am of course interested in the good things about windows 11, which are... erm.. at least something and "reasons".. hmmmm

Edited October 25, 20214 yr by mSparks

13 hours ago, mSparks said:

Main reason I left windows behind was productivity and stability.

Same... I still have to use Windows for MFS,P3D etc, but every-time I open the PC I'm greeted with constant popups and annoyances, e.g.

• There is a problem with your Microsoft Account, please sign in. (Why do I need an internet-based account to use my PC???)
• Setup OneDrive Sync
• Trial Office360 now
• Forced windows updates and adverts to use Windows Edge.

There are apps on there I didn't install, and somehow came back. e.g. One day I opened the PC to find I suddenly had Skype and it was signed in to my Microsoft Account. I didn't ask for it, and didn't want it there. I'm sure there are ways to trim everything down, but users shouldn't need to hunt around the internet for hacks to remove rubbish they don't want. I remember Windows 2000/XP and Windows 7, all were very good systems, but the latest systems are just terrible in every way. Mac OS is also going down the same road.... sadly.

32 minutes ago, tonywob said:

Same... I still have to use Windows for MFS,P3D etc, but every-time I open the PC I'm greeted with constant popups and annoyances, e.g.

• There is a problem with your Microsoft Account, please sign in. (Why do I need an internet-based account to use my PC???)
• Setup OneDrive Sync
• Trial Office360 now
• Forced windows updates and adverts to use Windows Edge.

There are apps on there I didn't install, and somehow came back. e.g. One day I opened the PC to find I suddenly had Skype and it was signed in to my Microsoft Account. I didn't ask for it, and didn't want it there. I'm sure there are ways to trim everything down, but users shouldn't need to hunt around the internet for hacks to remove rubbish they don't want. I remember Windows 2000/XP and Windows 7, all were very good systems, but the latest systems are just terrible in every way. Mac OS is also going down the same road.... sadly.

Strange, I have a win10 install as well and I have not a single one of these issues you are describing.

It may be down to systems maintenance as you are describing yourself though. Disabling unwanted things from startup is an common task on windows systems - and on Linux systems as well, so it's nothing where MS is to blame specially.

7 minutes ago, rka said:

Strange, I have a win10 install as well and I have not a single one of these issues you are describing.

No doubt you know what you're doing and how to get rid of it... I don't. I could spend the time to get rid of all the rubbish I don't want and make it work correctly. I've had problems messing with stuff like this in the past and breaking things 

Also, I think it makes a difference if you use Home edition vs Pro edition?

 

10 minutes ago, tonywob said:

No doubt you know what you're doing and how to get rid of it... I don't. I could spend the time to get rid of all the rubbish I don't want and make it work correctly. I've had problems messing with stuff like this in the past and breaking things 

Also, I think it makes a difference if you use Home edition vs Pro edition?

 

I wouldn't think Home vs Pro makes much off a difference. The easiest thing one can do about OneNote et al is to go into task manager, Autostart register, right click on the entry you want and select deactivate.

In win10, you don't need to login. It just makes it look like you need to, but you lose basically nothing of you don't.

1 minute ago, tonywob said:

I think it makes a difference if you use Home edition vs Pro edition?

Maybe, but here's a perfect example of the kind of thing I'm talking about, Just got a slightly older windows 10 Laptop set up for recording the AutoATC phone app while I fly, I left the laptop on last night and when I come back to it this morning the desktop be like

sure restart it and its fine, but OMFG there aren't swear words strong enough to describe how I feel about that junk.

I don't think the Pro or even server versions are any more stable, they are just slightly more advanced hot garbage.

Home version would not be avaible for a domain network.

There are no issues of popup or anything in W10 and no it does not auto sign in to skype ./ Onedrive , what I think has happened is when you installed W10 or started it the first time you probably had the net connected and you signed in with your outlook / Ms account, so it's not a local account hence its autosigning to skype / onedrive , if that is the case what i can suggest is switch off the net from that laptop and create a local account

1 hour ago, mSparks said:

I left the laptop on last night and when I come back to it this morning the desktop be like

How does that even happen? 

8 minutes ago, tonywob said:

How does that even happen? 

that's probably his gpu / ram issue , if those are artifacts

Are those folders over folders , hmm can't make out

Edited October 26, 20214 yr by Humpty