i wish JF did the A300-600 instead of the A300B4

3 hours ago, Rafal said:

True, and quite recently I have read (don't remember where) a JF official's statement of it being on hold.
A real pity. 747-200 was the first long-hauler I flew in real life (Alitalia LIRF->KJFK) and I have a huge sentiment for this amazing bird.

It was on hold, they have since resumed development with a new development team, though they haven't been particularly transparent about it since. From what I've gathered from the existing forum posts they hit a brick wall when developing the systems. There apparently is progress now.

They have been pretty insistent on the forums that they haven't abandoned it so I still have a good amount of hope.

20 minutes ago, SimeonWilbury said:

so I still have a good amount of hope.

Now I do too.

13 hours ago, ha5mvo said:

Not quite...

There's a 154 under development for p3d v 4.5+ that can even be purchased as a WIP version (my experience would actually suggest against buying WIP products but that's a different matter)

Tu-154 Main (simuniqlab.com)

I am following the Tu154M development closely. Sadly, there is no NVU system yet and this is a big dealbreaker considering the main navigation system of the Tu-154 is NVU. Flying only with VOR and NDB would be highly realistic if not impossible due to the lack of VOR beacons today.

The developer has promised to bring NVU though and is working on it, so once that has been set I will try it. For now it is only available for 4.5, but hopefully will be for V5 in the future.

6 hours ago, Beardyman said:

Waiting for Caravelle from Aeroplane Heaven - seems also to be last on the list... 😔

I am also waiting for the Caravelle. Sadly there has not been many development posts of it since.

Hopefully this project won't get diverted to MSFS only, like Justflight did with their Fokker. 

14 hours ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

Don’t forget FS Labs Concorde is coming to P3D v4/5 probably next year now. Out of service for 18 years makes it a classic I suppose.

Speaking personally, I think that will be the definitive version across all flight sim platforms. Unless there’s a change of policy from FSL it will never appear in MSFS.

I am sure FSLabs is looking at MSFS for future growth or they will likely find themselves on a sinking ship. They have MSFS listed in their Operations Centre, so they are least thinking about it. I'm not saying they should abandon P3D though. 

I loved the Concorde and if it wasn't for the all the OOM errors I get with it, I would be still flying it in P3Dv3.  Its the only reason I still have P3Dv3 installed on my system.  I have been waiting a long time for the Concorde to come to P3D V4/V5. But I fear it might be a little to late by the time it ever gets released. I loved P3D and still use it occasionally for my favorite airplanes like the Majestic Dash 8, or PMDG 777/ 747 but for the most part, I have moved to MSFS. I just have a hard time going back to P3D after MSFS.  I also mainly fly in VR and I find MSFS much more fluid and smooth in VR compared to P3D which is always a bit stuttery for me and ruins the emersion. 

I have not purchased anything for P3D for two years now and have been investing in MSFS. Although I have always planned on buying the Concorde for P3D v4/v5 I am not so sure I will anymore. Depends on timing.  If it comes out within the next 6 months or so, I might still purchase it, but if its more then a year from now, I will most likely not purchase it. By then I believe MSFS will have some more "study level" planes, PMDG, Fly the Maddog, Quality Wings, etc. When that happens, I will likely not use P3D much.  

I believe there are a lot more simmers like me that are in the same boat.  My observations only but hearing that  Developers have seen a big decline in P3D sales supports my theory. 

Whilst I am certain that the MSFS SDK is currently not as advanced as the P3D SDK, I do wonder if FSLabs are having second thoughts about releasing Concorde for P3Dv5. I would not rule out the lack of information regarding development progress being because they are thinking about switching to MSFS. If sales of P3D products really have fallen off a cliff this year, then would it be commercially viable for them to release it for P3Dv4/5 only?

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7 hours ago, rickjake said:

I am sure FSLabs is looking at MSFS for future growth or they will likely find themselves on a sinking ship. They have MSFS listed in their Operations Centre, so they are least thinking about it. I'm not saying they should abandon P3D though. 

I’m sure they are but as you know they play their cards close to their chest. Nothing announced yet.

7 hours ago, rickjake said:

I loved the Concorde and if it wasn't for the all the OOM errors I get with it, I would be still flying it in P3Dv3.  Its the only reason I still have P3Dv3 installed on my system.  I have been waiting a long time for the Concorde to come to P3D V4/V5. But I fear it might be a little to late by the time it ever gets released.

I still fly it in v3 but less and less simply because of the frustration of having to keep settings so low for VAS reasons. I’ll still buy it however long it takes to arrive.

7 hours ago, rickjake said:

I have not purchased anything for P3D for two years now and have been investing in MSFS. Although I have always planned on buying the Concorde for P3D v4/v5 I am not so sure I will anymore.

Given Concorde is flown supersonically over open water what advantage is MSFS going to give you over P3D? And as there is no historical weather in MSFS how do you depart various airports around the world using weather for the local time? Example: Honolulu or Sydney daytime departures when you live in Europe?

Why not retain P3Dv5 on systems for those flying MSFS? There’s no rule you must have only one sim installed.

1 hour ago, Christopher Low said:

I do wonder if FSLabs are having second thoughts about releasing Concorde for P3Dv5. I would not rule out the lack of information regarding development progress being because they are thinking about switching to MSFS. If sales of P3D products really have fallen off a cliff this year, then would it be commercially viable for them to release it for P3Dv5 only?

It’s too far gone for them to abandon P3D now. They’ve been spotted on VATSIM test flying it. They may well have to consider a MSFS version but not until they’re satisfied the SDK won’t be impacted with these huge frequent updates.

I still don’t see the advantages of MSFS when you’re flying at high altitudes. I still consider it’s a low-level sim.

That is interesting, Ray. I did not know that they had been caught test flying it online! For the record, I would always want high resolution photoscenery in my flight simulator, irrespective of what altitude I am flying at. I really do not like generic textures, and even ORBx Global and other addons of this nature are not good enough for me.

EDIT: I do not rule out the possibility that high quality realistic textures of this nature could be developed at some point. All I know is that the generic terrain textures in Microsoft/ESP products from FS5 to P3D have never convinced me.

Edited December 12, 20214 yr by Christopher Low

@Christopher Low, have you ever flown Concorde in a sim? Not a disrespectful question I hope. With the speed of the aircraft you really don’t get the opportunity to look out of the windows that much. The extra speed demands your full attention.

And whilst you’re limited to FL280 / Mach 0.95 whilst over land that isn’t for long before you reach the accel point when you’re then over water and the reheats are turned on, throttles full forward and pitching up to maintain vMO.

Plus if you’re handling the fuel transfer it’s a very busy time.

I suppose if you fly her subsonic - say Heathrow to Dublin - then you do have time for looking out of the window and you can appreciate your photo scenery. But that’s like driving a Ferrari in second gear. 😉

No offence taken, Ray. I have never flown Concorde in a simulator, and I do appreciate what you are saying. In fact, it is worth noting that my recent full motion flight simulation experience in Manchester (report and photos coming soon) involved very little scenery viewing, and more concentration on the flight director lines on the MFA!

8 minutes ago, Christopher Low said:

my recent full motion flight simulation experience in Manchester (report and photos coming soon)

Ah good, I’m looking forward to hearing about your experience.

21 minutes ago, Christopher Low said:

In fact, it is worth noting that my recent full motion flight simulation experience in Manchester (report and photos coming soon) involved very little scenery viewing, and more concentration on the flight director lines on the MFA!

Look forward to seeing those. The Concorde simulator at Brooklands is similar with just airport scenery and a few cities around the world with something akin to default P3D.

After taking off from Heathrow and turning east I descended and was given headings by my FO (retired Concorde pilot no less) to fly through Tower Bridge before heading back to Heathrow and landing. The 15 mins is very busy and handling real controls takes priority over what the ground looks like as you have confirmed.

Interesting. I am also looking forward to the Concorde and if the plane keeps you that busy it must be fun to fly. The main reason I was put off from buying it in FS9 was potential scenery loading issues which could cause stutters and blurries, due to the supersonic speed. 

Unfortunately though, it looks like FSL has not officially confirmed yet which platform they are developing the aircraft for (if the "unpause" thread was the only place where discussion was held on their forums). 

2 minutes ago, Ikarus280 said:

Unfortunately though, it looks like FSL has not officially confirmed yet which platform they are developing the aircraft for

They have although it's buried in a topic rather than an announcement. P3D v4 and v5. I asked Andrew which version would be best and he said v5 as the PBR effects would really shine in that version.

On 12/11/2021 at 5:23 AM, Ray Proudfoot said:

Don’t forget FS Labs Concorde is coming to P3D v4/5 probably next year now. Out of service for 18 years makes it a classic I suppose.

Speaking personally, I think that will be the definitive version across all flight sim platforms. Unless there’s a change of policy from FSL it will never appear in MSFS.

Morning Ray!  What policy are you referring to?  They have already added MSFS to their control center and to not bring the Concorde to MSFS would make those years of development a financial disaster for them.  It's not like any commercial customers need to train on the Concorde so it is just a consumer product and the consumer market is clearly heavily skewed to MSFS.  I am yet to see or hear anything "since MSFS has been released" saying they will never bring the Concorde and Busses to MSFS.  To the contrary, they already added MSFS support the Control Center. 

I actually can't see them "not" bringing it to MSFS if they want to sell more than a few hundred copies at best and IMO that is being quite generous assuming a few hundred.  It's not like there are thousands of users sitting on P3D just for a Concorde at this point.  

Trying to say you don't need high quality scenery for a Concorde flight doesn't mean it's not better with it...  That is a bit of a cop out to say you are flying so fast and are so busy scenery doesn't matter.  You know I am still a big P3D user but at ANY altitude and ANY speed MSFS looks light years better plus for me it performs far better and yes, that is even supersonic.   

Yes, no historical weather but It's a toss up between who will get to market first FSL with the Concorde or Asobo with historical weather.... It's like watching two turtles run a marathon 🙂 🙂 🙂