This looks close.

https://www.avsim.com/forums/topic/613428-honda-jet-soon-looks-very-well/

Just a few points on the CJ4 flight model:

The performance of the flight model is within a few percentage points of the books and was made with the help of a number of CJ4 pilots, including our own former CJ4 pilot directly on the team.

The CJ4 is definitely stable, but agile. That was one of the strongest bits of feedback. It also has one of the highest thrust to weight ratios of any jet in the segment, more like something in the military trainer jet category. You can absolutely find you need to drop the boards even at idle with flaps partially extended. One of the reasons the gear extension speed is on the high side. We also have replicated very accurately the odd trim settings, including nose down trim for takeoff, and even more (like 75%) nose down trim at cruise. All due to those rockets trying to push the nose up.

As for landing, per pilot reports, _don't flare_ the CJ4. Simply let it fly to the runway on its own with the slightest of backpressure. We carefully tried to replicate observed pitch angles on final and during the landing procedure.

-Matt

Edited January 13, 20224 yr by MattNischan

9 hours ago, ryanbatcund said:

I've heard the Justflight BAe Hawk is excellent.

I am waiting on baited breath for another light, economical, certified for one-pilot jet, to be introduced!  The previews are causing me to toss and turn at night in anticipation! 

 

1 hour ago, MattNischan said:

Just a few points on the CJ4 flight model:

The performance of the flight model is within a few percentage points of the books and was made with the help of a number of CJ4 pilots, including our own former CJ4 pilot directly on the team.

The CJ4 is definitely stable, but agile. That was one of the strongest bits of feedback. It also has one of the highest thrust to weight ratios of any jet in the segment, more like something in the military trainer jet category. You can absolutely find you need to drop the boards even at idle with flaps partially extended. One of the reasons the gear extension speed is on the high side. We also have replicated very accurately the odd trim settings, including nose down trim for takeoff, and even more (like 75%) nose down trim at cruise. All due to those rockets trying to push the nose up.

As for landing, per pilot reports, _don't flare_ the CJ4. Simply let it fly to the runway on its own with the slightest of backpressure. We carefully tried to replicate observed pitch angles on final and during the landing procedure.

-Matt

You guys did a magnificent job it's great,thank you I love flying it

Surprised how long it took anyone to mention the upcoming Honda Jet. Since that was going to be my contribution I'll just say that there was a Phenom made for FSX and I hope that aircraft finds it way to MSFS at some point too

1 hour ago, MattNischan said:

 

The CJ4 is definitely stable, but agile. 

Perhaps I'll need to look at my dated MS ffb2 stick (I think it hit 20 years!).  Maybe it doesn't have the 'resolution' that the agility of the CJ4 needs.  When I'm flying it's just so stable and gentle.

34 minutes ago, ryanbatcund said:

When I'm flying it's just so stable and gentle.

For me the word "benign" comes to mind, but this is assuming you never intend on taking off with a crosswind greater than 10kts because in this case all bets are off once you reach over 80kts during take-off roll 🙂

Edited January 13, 20224 yr by hangar

Agile is a relative term.

"Very Agile"  for a Regional Jet is going to be positively stodgy for a Red Bull race plane for example.

There is also the issue of expectations. The Stearman developers ended up giving in to crowd pressure and made the  MSFS Stearman, which in the real world is a stodgy low powered basic trainer ( that can do reasonably OK aerobatics in the hands of a skilled pilot ) behave in game more like an aerobatic stunt plane - because most gamers expect biplanes to turn on a dime.

 

Edited January 13, 20224 yr by Glenn Fitzpatrick

4 hours ago, MattNischan said:

As for landing, per pilot reports, _don't flare_ the CJ4. Simply let it fly to the runway on its own with the slightest of backpressure.

Yep, the very, very slightest.  Otherwise, you'll eat up every bit of an 11,000 ft runway....and then some...even at idle ... and even begin to climb at 60 kias .while thrust is still at idle....and never stall.  Maybe it's my controller sensitivities or possibly the "pitchiness" or undue lift in the sim's flight model?

The CJ4 by Working Title is the best Bizjet yet made for either FSX, P3D or FS2020 flight sims, I have been waiting a loong time for someone to bring out a bizjet with the avionics working as good as they have managed...  I haven't stopped flying it since I installed it.

 

The only gripe I have got though is the  'Rudder Authority',  It has almost none.

Sure,  it yaws immediately when you put in full rudder but if you hold in Full Rudder and keep the wings level then it flies on almost the same track with very little rotational moment.

It seems to me that MSFS2020 is not giving the true effect of rudder input as a whole...  with some aircraft a bit better than others of course with differing (size, weight, surface areas etc etc) but the WT CJ4 is terrible in this respect.

If I have to make large directional changes as I'm about land (result of gusts etc) to slide over to the centreline of the runway and I can't bank the wings as I'm close to the ground then the rudder should be able to help...  it doesn't.

 

Anyone else have a view experience of this ?

Also, is there a database of real aircrafts turning moment for full rudder deflection (wings level)...  for instance DEG /SEC or MIN or something , in order for that aspect to be modelled more accurately ?

thanks

aero

 

Edited January 13, 20224 yr by aerostar

For something completely different,  consider the Touching Cloud SkyPirate Jetpack JW1.

Edited January 13, 20224 yr by odourboy

Gee I dunno, does it include wing views?

Edited January 13, 20224 yr by hangar

Yes! And wing flex too! 😆 

I wish Flight One would get off their butts and do the Cessna Citation Mustang for MSFS...

 

That was my daily driver in P3d, when I wasn't flying the Twotter or Tubes!

1 hour ago, Kilo60 said:

I wish Flight One would get off their butts and do the Cessna Citation Mustang for MSFS...

 

That was my daily driver in P3d, when I wasn't flying the Twotter or Tubes!

I they're kinda dead imo.  I know they published a p3d v5 release for the 737.  But it's been years since a native Flight1 aircraft has come out.  If they did a mustang id like an M2 - the original is way too slow.