Looks like turboprops are replacing business jets at least for shorter flights.

https://robbreport.com/motors/aviation/the-turboprop-comeback-1234670477/

Noel

Good topic Noel: Maybe it's time for Beechcraft to bring a new version of  the 1900 D model into the picture.

Hondajet is the current answer. Price (√), speed (√), economy (√), capacity (√), restroom (√), single-pilot (√)

Coming to MSFS soon I hope!

Edited March 27, 20224 yr by fppilot

Well said Frank. There is an FBO charging close to $10 00  a gallon for jet-a here in the states.

1 hour ago, fppilot said:

Hondajet is the current answer. Price (√), speed (√), economy (√), capacity (√), restroom (√), single-pilot (√)

Coming to MSFS soon I hope!

Concerning HondaJet in MSFS... https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/upcoming-hondajet-for-msfs/418226

 

8 hours ago, fppilot said:

Hondajet is the current answer

 

Its not as economical as a turboprop though. 

The Piaggio Avanti is among the most efficient and fastest of the business class twin turboprops.  There is one that occasionally flies in and out of my local airport.  There is no mistaking its sound for anything else.  The downside to the Avanti is that the pusher style props produce a lot of noise.

13 minutes ago, stans said:

pusher style props produce a lot of noise.

 

I'm wondering why? Might not be because its a pusher. Might be just the power plant used. 

Being a big fan of turboprops, I love this.

34 minutes ago, martin-w said:

 

I'm wondering why? Might not be because its a pusher. Might be just the power plant used. 

It is because it's a pusher. The exhaust from the (quite common) PT6 engines blows through the props (take a look at the way the engines are mounted and where the exhaust stacks are placed).

In addition to providing automatic prop de-icing, it produces a (square wave?) sound that, though not deafening, is extremely distinct and can be heard from a long way off. Anyone who works at or near an airport can usually tell if a Piaggio is coming or going long before they see it.

On a side note. Piaggio has a bad rep for not great service in North America. Parts can be hard to find, and have long lead times from the manufacturer. This may be an issue for the operator mentioned in the article, unless they have a really solid plan for parts and maintenance.

 

Cheers,

DB

I agree with Frank Patton, and Stans regarding their posts.This provides a choice at least. I chose the remake of the 1900 because 1, shorter field capability. 2.With a bigger cabin, i'm thinking  the old days  of the Grumman Gulfstream 1. 3, A full functioning galley, and restroom. Room for baggage. Something that small commuter airlines can buy since there is so much old metal flying. Gregg Seipp: I'm a huge fan of the Dehavilland Dash-7.

Edited March 27, 20224 yr by Paul Deluca

40 minutes ago, DaviiB said:

It is because it's a pusher. The exhaust from the (quite common) PT6 engines blows through the props (take a look at the way the engines are mounted and where the exhaust stacks are placed).

 

Would make sense. I'm thinking that even without the exhaust passing through the prop, the proximately to the wake from the wing would be detrimental to noise too. In addition, many pushers have smaller pros too, which would be a noise disadvantage.

 

 

 

Edited March 27, 20224 yr by martin-w

Cessna Skymaster making the same noise.

My favorite turboprop passenger plane is the De Havilland Dash 8-400.  It's fast, almost comparable to a jet, and has a large passenger capacity for a turboprop.

If you want better fuel efficiency, then upscaling something like the dash8-400 that would seat 120-150 pax with more powerful turboprop engines would make a lot of sense for flights under 1,000 miles.

Dave

It's a shame the plane is being phased out here in the states Dave.  Good plane to have while we are seeing the fuel issue. Many gripes about turboprops in another website i frequent. It seems people want jet service while paying pennies for it so to say.