34 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

One thing I noticed about the DCD Concorde is the lack of a Vmo indicator on the Airspeed gauge. That increases as Concorde climbs through the transonic phase.

MAX CLB mode should chase this indicator using pitch to keep the IAS just below it. Was there any particular reason this indicator was not included?

Does it have the moving CG limit tags on the Mach mater?

9 minutes ago, BufordTX said:

Does it have the moving CG limit tags on the Mach mater?

Not that I can see. CG isn’t fully modelled as the indicator is always outside the two limits.

But it hasn’t stopped the pilot climbing to FL550 at Mach 2 and plenty of fuel left. For 45GBP it represents excellent value for money.

I haven’t watched it all yet. He isn’t using the decel / descent procedure as described elsewhere. Perhaps the IAS HLD over on the right isn’t functional. That might explain why.

36 minutes ago, jarmstro said:

Same reason there's no engine temp gauge on my wife's old Fiat Punto I expect,  (she loves the relic more than she does me!). Cost. This is a budget item. I've bought it. I've flown it. I'm done with it probably. A novelty with no lasting appeal.

You seem to give up easily. If I’d paid 45 quid for something I’d want to give it a decent crack. As shown in the video I posted it flies well if you follow the correct procedures.

The video Ray posted is very good.  Glad to see he was able to get the VOR  and CRS working.  It didn't work for me and I had to use the Radio page on the FMC to tune in the VOR's.  I think I had problems because I was trying to work from a saved panel state and its probably best to just start with the default. 

36 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

One thing I noticed about the DCD Concorde is the lack of a Vmo indicator on the Airspeed gauge. That increases as Concorde climbs through the transonic phase.

MAX CLB mode should chase this indicator using pitch to keep the IAS just below it. Was there any particular reason this indicator was not included?

Hi Ray, first of all let me tell you that I have registered in the forum with the only purpose to ask you some things that we want to polish in the Concorde (I am the one who helps Dean with the development of the Concorde in MSFS). In response to the question, we simply have not had time due to scheduling issues, but is our intention to include this as soon as possible. 🙂

Also tell you as Dean said, that we have effectively solved the problem of the gauge not displaying the ISA temperature correctly.

The questions are addressed precisely by the AFCS MAX CLIMB, IAS HOLD and MACH HOLD functions.

If I'm not wrong and please correct me if I am, MAX CLIMB is based on FLC and VMO, this is how we have implemented it and it works correctly when climbing to 60000ft up to 2.04 and altering V/S accordingly to maintain airspeed. The IAS HOLD and MACH HOLD modes on the right are currently covering the functions on the left, because despite having looked at the official manuals there is not much explanation about it. The advisers I have only tell me that it is based on airspeed or mach hold based on pitch attitude, but currently it is not possible in flight simulator if I have set a target altitude with ALT HOLD and the current altitude matches the target altitude. If they are based on FLC we have the same problem unless the target altitude is not the current one, but the use of this mode would fit me a lot if these two modes were designed for climbing or descending in terms of the altitude selected on the rotary selector without using ALT ACQ. Could you give me your vision on the use of these two modes?

Thank you and congratulations for everything you contribute to this forum.

25 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

You seem to give up easily. If I’d paid 45 quid for something I’d want to give it a decent crack. As shown in the video I posted it flies well if you follow the correct procedures.

It does fly well. But once you realise it's not actually like operating the real thing I loose interest. It's just me. I have no doubt most people will love it.

One thing that worries me is that just like the Virtualcol Embraer 170 now that some one has produced a dumbed down version no-one is going to be very keen on making anything better. EDIT Except on second thoughts I suppose the PMDG 737 disproves what I have said.

Edited April 1, 20224 yr by jarmstro

33 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

Not that I can see. CG isn’t fully modelled as the indicator is always outside the two limits.

 

It's fully modeled, honest! 🙂 The orange markers move dynamically with Mach, and the fuel transfer system is used to move the CG balance, with the marker following. The manual advises to keep the white marker within the Mach markers. Into The Blue simply didn't use the system and said they'd have to learn it first, which is fair enough. The review was I think pretty fair and he flew it really well.

I didn't want to wreck somebody's 4 hour flight because they didn't properly balance the fuel, however. So, Concorde will still make it across the pond with the CG out of whack, but it will be less efficient as a result. I think he landed with 15 T of fuel aboard. He could have made it there with 25 T at best efficiency, had he balanced the fuel better.

39 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

 For 45GBP it represents excellent value for money.

I thought it was £29.99?

4 minutes ago, DD_Arthur said:

I thought it was £29.99?

£27.99 / $39.99 / €34.95 

4 minutes ago, DD_Arthur said:

I thought it was £29.99?

£27.99 / $39.99 / €34.95 

23 minutes ago, jarmstro said:

It does fly well. But once you realise it's not actually like operating the real thing I loose interest. It's just me. I have no doubt most people will love it.

One thing that worries me is that just like the Virtualcol Embraer 170 now that some one has produced a dumbed down version no-one is going to be very keen on making anything better. EDIT Except on second thoughts I suppose the PMDG 737 disproves what I have said.

I think that mostly depends on the number of sales and how dumbed down it is. The Virtualcol Embraer was pretty much an abonimation and - from what I understood - did not sell anywhere as well as the "usual garbage" on the marketplace. When someone develops a study level-like version of it, it will probably be a completely different target group with a much higher price, so it might be worth it. For the Concorde it could be different; most people will be happy with this version and wouldn't buy a 130 dollar FSL version IF it may ever come. So this could really be such a case. In general I agree with your worries and I think this is a problem for MSFS, although mitigated partly by the much higher sale numbers which make it still profitable (see Fenix VS A32NX). Anyway this is nothing to blame a developer for, since they are doing a job; I think we have to accept that MSFS changed the rules to a lot of things, for better or worse

9 minutes ago, MarkW said:

£27.99 / $39.99 / €34.95 

Even more of a bargain!

1 hour ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

Watching this video now.

This is by far the best so far. He knows how to fly Concorde and the proper procedures. Good delivery too. 👍👏

Absolutely great review. In the end he said well: "I would call this a 'Concorde Experience' as opposed to a 'Concorde Simulation'."

@CodenameJack477, as you have probably discovered I don't have MSFS so cannot use your Concorde to test things. I'm just watching videos on YT to see how the transonic phase and decel / descent procedures are flown.

Starting with the transonic climb phase. At FL280, 394kts, Mach 0.97 the Air Speed Indicator should be just below the Vmo indicator at 400kts. 60,000ft is dialled up, auto-throttles off and pitch up whilst moving all four throttle levers fully forward was the procedure executed by all crew.

Reheats applied in pairs - outer then inner. As the IAS rises you need to pitch up to keep IAS just below the Tmo indicator. If you don't have one how are you judging whether you're exceeding Vmo or not? Is that modelled?

After passing Mach 1 MAX CLB / MAX CRS mode is engaged. With throttles at max the idea is to keep the IAS just below Vmo by pitching the nose up or down accordingly. Can you program that? If not then VERT SPD mode is probably the next best option. The only option really but ideally you need to pitch the nose up.

That remained the mode all the way through the flight until it was time to slow down and go down. Remember, the throttles stayed at max throught supersonic flight.

At Mach 2 MAX CRS was engaged and speed then became the priority. If Mach 2 could not be maintained (maybe the ISA was too warm) the aircraft would pitch down to maintain Mach 2. Remember there's nothing else up there above FL430 so this didn't matter. Speed remained the priority. It was quite normal for the aircraft to climb and descend but the overall trend was upwards as fuel was burnt off and the aircraft became lighter.

Of course if the ISA was high or the temp on the nose went above 127C an overspeed warning was sounded. You would have to reduce thrust and slow down. Is that modelled?

My only experience of flying Concorde is with the FS Labs model but that is as close to the real thing and is considered "reference level". I've not tried using IAS HOLD above the AT1/2 switches. I don't know how it would affect the performance on descent. The advice on the FSL one is to engage the one over on the right of the AFCS.

That again uses pitch mode (without Pitch Mode being engaged on the AFCS) to maintain the speed at the time the command was actioned. You didn't use the IAS indicator over on the left. That is only used for the auto-throttles.

As engine power was reduced, in order to maintain 350kts the nose was pitched down. The more you took power off the greater the descent. Hence why it could descend so quickly.

If you look at the centre console on the pilot's side there is a Autopilot Pitch Switch. The right-most of three dials. It is that the pilot used to adjust pitch manually. Do you have that modelled? If so thenuse that to control pitch. If it isn't modelled tell Asobo it needs it.

I never engaged MACH HOLD. It didn't work on the FSL Concorde but wasn't a problem as the aircraft would stay in MAX CLB / MAX CRS mode throughout.

I hope that helps. You've done a great job from what I can see.

5 minutes ago, Fiorentoni said:

Absolutely great review. In the end he said well: "I would call this a 'Concorde Experience' as opposed to a 'Concorde Simulation'."

I do like this guys output. Isn’t he an Airbus pilot irl or did I dream that?

Personally, I haven’t got this as I simply can’t ‘unsee’ those cockpit textures and I’ve got plenty of other stuff to fly atm but good luck to DC designs👍