3 hours ago, CaptainNick said:

From the few videos I have watched, everything that 99% of us "hardcore" simmers need seem to be functioning just fine. Lack of EFB isn't the end of the world, especially since the FMC interface is still there. Id rather have the plane sans EFB while it is finalized then sit and wait longer when it is not actually needed to fly the plane.

 

Agree seems to have all the functionality I need and more.

Noun. negative Nancy (plural negative Nancies) (derogatory, informal) A person who is considered excessively and disagreeably pessimistic.

Really guys? We rightly give FBW a heap of slack because its freeware and the work of a bunch of very talented volunteers that have produced that fantastic airframe. But FBW is not perfect and if you had to pay for in its current or previous states, then Avsim would have to hire a bunch of extra moderators just to keep the Avsim site from imploding! The free passes that Fenix and Maddog are getting defy belief and is simply because we have no idea what they are doing. They're staying shtum but somehow that makes them beacons of virtue and better than PMDG?

It is my view that PMDG's continuous lines of communication is what makes me feel comfortable about purchasing this airframe. I know what's missing, I know why its missing, I know when I'll get it... or not, I know what post delivery support will look like and I even have some idea about what the pricing could potentially be and even what date this product might be released. I am seeing video's and streams and I am not seeing anything other than a really fantastic rendition of an iconic airliner backed up by an astounding development team who have shown a lot of dedication to producing it over these past two years. Am I blowing sunshine up PMDG's backside?  You bet I am , and I make no apologies for that.
 
It won't be perfect. Are there any perfect products on MSFS? But I have not seen one complaint by anyone on this thread that is 'critical' to flight or more to the point critical to the enjoyment of the experience of flight that this aircraft will bring. It is an absolute compliment to its programmers, to PMDG and to MSFS.

So come on guys. This is a time to celebrate the near release of a very detailed and popular aircraft type for a price that is well within most of the serious simmers budgets. All I have to do is sit back and fly this wonderful product (without doing a Fabio) to enjoy the efforts that PMDG and it's developers have sweated over for all this time. 

One last thing. The days of silence from developers are over. As it has been for most commercial entities who find they now have to engage with their customers on social media whether they like it not. This requires businesses to be extra proactive in their communications, to anticipate likely questions and objections and to be as up front as commercial sensitivity will allow. It seems like over communication at times but that's what it has to be and it serves a marketing role too. I think Randazzo has hit the mark exactly. Well done.       

So will I be buying the -700 on day 1? Heck no. I'll wait for a week for the servers to cool down because I bet there are going to be brown outs and crashes as the orders come flying in for this one. But, when I get it, I'll be having a lot of fun. Meanwhile, the negative Nancies will be half heartedly pressing the on button on their legacy P3D machines and the others will be consoling themselves with thoughts of their imaginary Fenix and Maddog products.   

Cheers

Terry 

Edited April 20, 20224 yr by Lord Farringdon

Panglossian. Adjective (derogatory). Naively or unreasonably optimistic.

As much as I'm excited about the release of the 737 product line (I am), I might hold off on a day 1 purchase, waiting to see reviews and opinions. Meanwhile, this negative Nancy will be a happy camper in the FBW A320. 

(I've never owned P3D).

10 hours ago, JRBarrett said:

And again it needs to be stated that Simbrief integration is dependent on Asobo adding functionality to the SDK allowing WASM aircraft to access the internet from within MSFS. At the moment that is impossible no matter who the developer is. The Leonardo Maddog, Fenix A320 and other upcoming WASM add-on aircraft will not have direct Simbrief access or in-game Navigraph charts access either, until such time that Asobo makes it possible.

 

Hi, sorry - but this is incorrect. 

We have full FPLN uplink, wind uplink, AOC and ATSU functionality that simply pulls your flight plan and WX from online. 

All you need to do is plan your flight in simbrief, then head into the aircraft and hit INIT UPLINK on the MCDU INIT A page - as occurs IRL. It will then pull and auto-populate the relevant and correct MCDU data entry fields, and the flight plan. We've done more here also, but will be shown in time. 

Navigraph charts also function fine on the EFB. We've shown a fair few shots of this functioning in sim.

It's worth mentioning, of course, that we use different parts of the SDK owing to the different development approaches. The limitations imposed on other developers may not apply - and vice versa. 

5 hours ago, scotchegg said:

*implied

Yes, that’s correct, Egg. Amateur mistake.

I was going to pay for Grammarly, but I shall just pm you to check my future posts. 😉

23 minutes ago, Aamir said:

Hi, sorry - but this is incorrect. 

We have full FPLN uplink, wind uplink, AOC and ATSU functionality that simply pulls your flight plan and WX from online. 

All you need to do is plan your flight in simbrief, then head into the aircraft and hit INIT UPLINK on the MCDU INIT A page - as occurs IRL. It will then pull and auto-populate the relevant and correct MCDU data entry fields, and the flight plan. We've done more here also, but will be shown in time. 

Navigraph charts also function fine on the EFB. We've shown a fair few shots of this functioning in sim.

It's worth mentioning, of course, that we use different parts of the SDK owing to the different development approaches. The limitations imposed on other developers may not apply - and vice versa. 

Interesting and thanks for letting us know that.

How does this work generally? Do you need SimBrief to be open in a browser, when you click the INIT UPLINK button or do you login to SimBrief from within the sim, using/through the MCDU?
Also, I'm a little curious as to how you're able to accomplish this? Now, I'm not sim-addon developer or have any knowledge of the MSFS SDK etc but I was under the understanding, that WASM/C++ modules/gauges couldn't access the internet or data outside the sim? Or am I missing something here? 🙂

Thanks again, Aamir. 

11 hours ago, WestAir said:

I was at no point being sarcastic. Jr4 had asked you what more you wanted from the NG3, and my mistake was answering for you with opinions you didn't have. You were well within your rights to call me out on that (though I didn't expect it in the voice of Billy Madison), and I wanted to make a clear apology.

EDIT: As an aside, I didn't respond directly to you prior to Jr4's comments because there was nothing to reply to; At the time I thought you made your points very obvious. In fact the reason I felt the need to respond to Jr4 on your behalf is because you had answered that question so many times already and I know what it's like to have to repeat myself. I guess I just felt bad, Rob. In any case, I won't do it again, and I shouldn't have done it (so ridiculously poorly) the first time. Mea culpa.

Hey Westy,

Seems I misunderstood your post. 

Read it again in your most sarcastic voice, as well as the follow-up. Make sure you roll your eyes after each alleged demand I have for the PMDG 737. It works quite well in that context! Some people do respond like this when you fail to adequately praise their favourite sim or PMDG plane.

My misunderstanding, so the apology is mine, no need for you to apologise. 

Bonus points for picking the Billy Elliot quote. 🙂

Fwiw, your summary of my points was way off (though thanks for trying!). I'm personally pretty happy with the systems depth of the NGXu, and I expect the PMDG 737 to be similar. As I mentioned earlier, I mainly want an aircraft that performs well and flies well. When I initially posted, the only videos around were the first one from Chewy and the crazy Fabio landing. Having watched some further videos, I'm a little happier with what I see now.

Take it easy, brother. 

Oz

1 minute ago, anden145 said:

Now, I'm not sim-addon developer or have any knowledge of the MSFS SDK etc but I was under the understanding, that WASM/C++ modules/gauges couldn't access the internet or data outside the sim? Or am I missing something here? 🙂

From what I understand, FENIX uses a completely independent module running outside the sim (that's why it's PC only). So the part that does the internet communication is probably there and not based on WASM at all.

7 hours ago, anden145 said:

@OzWhitey What's the matter ? Why are you being so rude and aggressive constantly?

Having read the whole debacle with @WestAir, he was only (at least the way I read it) trying to be helpful to you, and you just chewed him out, for no apparent reason. Yes, he assumed some points on your behalf, but there was no ill will. You just angrily attacked him and when he then tried to apologize (nice gesture IMO), you just attacked him further... 😕

Actually I think you owe him an apology, for your demeanor towards him.

Sure, I misunderstood the tone and nature of the two posts. My error. 

10 minutes ago, OzWhitey said:

<snip>

No harm no foul Rob! I re-read my post in my best sarcasm voice and had to laugh; It reminded me of the kind of comments you'd see on page 99 on a thread about P3D vs X-Plane. 😄 Sorry for getting your blood pressure up.

Ken

31 minutes ago, OzWhitey said:

Make sure you roll your eyes after each alleged demand I have for the PMDG 737. It works quite well in that context! Some people do respond like this when you fail to adequately praise their favourite sim or PMDG plane.

Not saying you were saying all this, but I think it's fair to say that most of us who respond back with sarcasm is to those who make farcical and false claims like "it's incomplete and missing features!" when it is actually equal to the P3D version minus the EFB as PMDG disclosed in detail, or other agenda-driven posts due to whatever beef they happen to have with PMDG.  I personally could care less if anyone "fails to adequately praise my favorite sim or aircraft" lol, that's just silly and if there are those who truly need that validation from others.. well, ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

From what I understand, given your experience with PMDG's 737 in P3D, the mere fact that they put out an equivalent aircraft in MSFS without more innovation/new-features is not enough for you... and that's completely fair.

Edited April 20, 20224 yr by lwt1971

4 minutes ago, lwt1971 said:

From what I understand, given your experience with PMDG's 737 in P3D, the mere fact that they put out an equivalent aircraft in MSFS without more innovation/new-features is not enough for you... and that's completely fair.

That's not quite the right take on my position.

From what I've seen, PMDG's MSFS 737 is definitely good enough for me personally. I've mentioned in this thread that it will be a day 1 purchase, just like the NGX and NGXu were. 

I suspect I'll fly that aircraft and the FBW 320 in equal measure as my top 2 airliners.

My take is therefore a bit more nuanced. I query PMDG' general approach for the reason you mention - innovation. They have been very successful and perhaps see no need to change their approach. If so, that suggests to me a company that is resting on its laurels, and which may be surpassed in the next few years by younger, leaner competitors.

Your previous post mentioned Fenix's approach of running parts of the aircraft outside the sim. That's what I mean when I talk about innovation. 2022 PMDG writes long posts making excuses about "roadblocks". Newer devs like FBW and Fenix seem to adopt a more creative approach focused on actually solving the problem.

I get excited following FBWs developments. Fenix seems to have a fascinating project. But I don't feel the same sense of excitement and adventure when I think about modern-day PMDG. 

17 minutes ago, OzWhitey said:

My take is therefore a bit more nuanced. I query PMDG' general approach for the reason you mention - innovation. They have been very successful and perhaps see no need to change their approach. If so, that suggests to me a company that is resting on its laurels, and which may be surpassed in the next few years by younger, leaner competitors.

Your previous post mentioned Fenix's approach of running parts of the aircraft outside the sim. That's what I mean when I talk about innovation. 2022 PMDG writes long posts making excuses about "roadblocks". Newer devs like FBW and Fenix seem to adopt a more creative approach focused on actually solving the problem.

I get excited following FBWs developments. Fenix seems to have a fascinating project. But I don't feel the same sense of excitement and adventure when I think about modern-day PMDG. 

Ok got it, and all fair points again. I too like you am very excited about FBW and Fenix, and really looking forward to what they bring (and continue to) on the MSFS platform with their A320s and future aircraft.. I await the FBW A380 especially.

I guess given that I've not used PMDG birds on P3D at all, to get something of that complexity on a platform like MSFS with its superlative world/weather environment *is* something exciting for me personally, and I suspect to others in a similar boat.  And from what I understand, PMDG have some sort of agreement with Boeing that gives them exclusivity in terms of producing payware Boeings right? I could be completely mistaken however. If so, then they'd be the only game in town for Boeings (outside of freeware I guess)... given their track record, and quality and fidelity of aircraft released so far, I guess even if they were to rest on their laurels at current levels of quality then I'd be satisfied, but I have a feeling as they get more familiar with developing for MSFS they will get more innovative/think-outside-the-box/etc. I hope to be as excited when they release their 777 and 747 (probably will be lol, because I love long haulers as both a real-life passenger and sim-life pilot).

Edited April 20, 20224 yr by lwt1971

1 hour ago, Aamir said:

Hi, sorry - but this is incorrect. 

We have full FPLN uplink, wind uplink, AOC and ATSU functionality that simply pulls your flight plan and WX from online. 

All you need to do is plan your flight in simbrief, then head into the aircraft and hit INIT UPLINK on the MCDU INIT A page - as occurs IRL. It will then pull and auto-populate the relevant and correct MCDU data entry fields, and the flight plan. We've done more here also, but will be shown in time. 

Navigraph charts also function fine on the EFB. We've shown a fair few shots of this functioning in sim.

It's worth mentioning, of course, that we use different parts of the SDK owing to the different development approaches. The limitations imposed on other developers may not apply - and vice versa. 

Great to know! Robert from PMDG did mention they were looking at a possible work-around for the current WASM limitation on external communications for things like SimBrief integration or charts. Possibly they are looking at an external module.

I assume they would like Asobo to provide that function natively through an  “approved” SDK API, because PMDG will eventually want to target the X-Box platform, where external modules will not be allowed.

Thanks for the info re: the upcoming Fenix  aircraft!

17 hours ago, skully said:

Hey there Tuskin, I'll take a look around at other airports as this was the fist time I've this effect but now I'll be looking for it now that I've seen it.

It usually happens with thin objects I front of clouds. So antennas and such