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Some feedback/comments below from an IRL 737 captain of 15 years who came on Fabio's stream on his flight from Wellington to Queenstown in New Zealand that just finished... overall very informative and some good education/insights (at least to me) into 737 ops and systems. Most of this stream was great in that it had very little shoutouts and such to the audience and mostly focusing on vatsim, flight itself, and then interaction with the guest 737 pilot from cruising to landing.

- thinks the wing flex is realistic ( https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1461278701?t=03h06m08s )
- comments like "game changer" earlier in the stream
- and near the end after the landing: "this is as good as if not better than the PMDG 737-700 in P3D which I consider the yardstick" ( https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1461278701?t=03h14m48s )
- then later on near end: "really impressed by what I'm seeing so far, this looks like a big improvement over the P3D version which was already very good" ( https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1461278701?t=03h27m55s )

 

Edited April 20, 20224 yr by lwt1971

6 hours ago, abrams_tank said:

I don't quite understand why leaving the marketplace is related to the release cycle (assuming with public opt-in betas, the FBW team can test their code in the beta and then pass the final code to Microsoft/Asobo for release in the marketplace), and what their resources have to do with this.

It's quite simple: being an open source team, if they need to fix something discovered in a sim update beta, there may not always be resources available to fix it before the sim update release. These are folks volunteering their own free time.

When you're not in the Marketplace, if the mod takes a week or two to get up to speed after an update or people need to hack a temp fix, no big deal. But having something that's downloadable in the sim just be busted isn't really great.

22 minutes ago, lwt1971 said:

overall very informative and some good education/insights

That 3 degree line was awesome!

He stopped worrying and learned to love PMDG American airliners.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

@OzWhitey What's the matter ? Why are you being so rude and aggressive constantly?

Having read the whole debacle with @WestAir, he was only (at least the way I read it) trying to be helpful to you, and you just chewed him out, for no apparent reason. Yes, he assumed some points on your behalf, but there was no ill will. You just angrily attacked him and when he then tried to apologize (nice gesture IMO), you just attacked him further... 😕

Actually I think you owe him an apology, for your demeanor towards him.

Edited April 20, 20224 yr by anden145
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2 hours ago, ahsmatt7 said:

I honestly dont understand all this talk about the 737. The title of this thread said we were going to talk about Earl. Where is he and when are we gonna talk about him???

LOL! Made my day!

The level of hysteria by members in the community never fails to amaze.

From the few videos I have watched, everything that 99% of us "hardcore" simmers need seem to be functioning just fine. Lack of EFB isn't the end of the world, especially since the FMC interface is still there. Id rather have the plane sans EFB while it is finalized then sit and wait longer when it is not actually needed to fly the plane.

Could care less about "high detail" gear bays or cabins. I don't sim from the passenger cabin or from inside the main gear wells...

I don't want to fly this 737. I want to fly my 737!

 

8 hours ago, OzWhitey said:

Did PMDG deliver everything they inferred that they would

*implied

7 hours ago, OzWhitey said:

is not exactly known for sticking to inferred timelines

*implied

4 hours ago, Bdub22 said:

I think a lot of people, maybe they're newcomers or just forget. But, in FSX, if you wanted to do upload a flight plan, you had to drag and drop into the flight plan folder for which ever plane you were flying. It really wasn't a big deal at all back then.

No newcomer here. And sure - I can drag and drop something into a folder. With Simbrief there's not even any need to drag anything as it will download to the folder of your choice. 

BUT - that's besides the point. We're now in 2022 and there's better and more elegant ways of doing this. Yes yes I know - the WASM limitation. But we're talking more on a general level here on how 3rd party developers have to be innovative to be a part of the game. To release a work in progress aircraft addon with not even an EFB at release is frankly - not innovative. And it's been - what - 2 years + in the making. 

I'm VERY curious to see what other devs have up their sleeve. Fenix anyone? Even following the amazing progress of the FBW team is - amazing. For some reason following PMDG's bewildering array of announcements is more like distractions from the actual product, which for me - does not increase my interest in what's coming. Just my 2 cents. 

5 hours ago, Bdub22 said:

How do we know FENIX is so good? It hasn't even been released yet. I've seen a number of people comparing X or Y to FENIX and I'm always at a loss because the product isn't even for sale yet. 

Next time you quote someone, use full sentences.

I was speaking about cockpit texture, the only kind of screenshot we got in abundance from Fenix.

Edited April 20, 20224 yr by bendead

14 minutes ago, Cpt_Piett said:

No newcomer here. And sure - I can drag and drop something into a folder. With Simbrief there's not even any need to drag anything as it will download to the folder of your choice. 

BUT - that's besides the point. We're now in 2022 and there's better and more elegant ways of doing this. Yes yes I know - the WASM limitation. But we're talking more on a general level here on how 3rd party developers have to be innovative to be a part of the game. To release a work in progress aircraft addon with not even an EFB at release is frankly - not innovative. And it's been - what - 2 years + in the making. 

I'm VERY curious to see what other devs have up their sleeve. Fenix anyone? Even following the amazing progress of the FBW team is - amazing. For some reason following PMDG's bewildering array of announcements is more like distractions from the actual product, which for me - does not increase my interest in what's coming. Just my 2 cents. 

I don't understand your complaints about all this?? If you seriously define the PMDG 737 for MSFS as "work in progress", then all addons released, should (according to your standards) be classified as "work in progress". All addons released undergo maintainence, with patch-fixes, new features etc. That doesn't mean, that such product should be classified as "work in progress" - at least in my opinion. I applaude RSR's open path and communication about what they are planning and what they want to achieve with this release. But given all the negativity and flame-speech in here, I wonder if it wouldn't have been best, if they just had kept such information internally. On the other hand, then everybody would have complained, that PMDG was too quiet about their plans forward and kept everyone in the dark. There's just no winning... 

Personally I define "work in progress" or similar, as products which is released, but where core features of the product is missing or being buggy. This is clearly not the case here. All core features are there in the plane - except from the weather radar (which has it's own reasonable explanation). 
Simbrief: Well - you have your explanation as to why this isn't included! Again - they're NOT saying that they won't include it - it's just that it's currently not possible within MSFS, given the type of coding the project is done in. They simply don't have the tools to do it. They need Asobo to provide them the tools to make it work properly. It's not their fault - so could you please (I know it's a lot to ask) stop, coming back to this complaint? It's coming... not in initial release, but it's coming. 

30 minutes ago, anden145 said:

It's not their fault - so could you please (I know it's a lot to ask) stop, coming back to this complaint?

Sorry, unable to comply with that request. It's my opinion, which I'm entitled to have. Just as much as you and everyone else is entitled to theirs. 

And I'd much prefer to call this a discussion - it's mostly civil - and not overuse terms like flame-speech. Negativity on the other hand - am I not allowed to be sceptical?

In terms of them not involving us - their future customers - I have been wondering too if it might have been better to have somewhat of a more "silent" development process. 

Edited April 20, 20224 yr by Cpt_Piett