Yes, but how much will the other versions sell for?

32 minutes ago, Aglos77 said:

Yes, but how much will the other versions sell for?

You don't need it!

4 hours ago, Manny said:

Yes, but how much will the other versions sell for?

You don't need it!

You shure right, but a real PMDG fan ( and there are a lot out there ) will buy every Version that comes to the market and PMDG knows that.

Making money is the keyword..

cheers 😉

8 hours ago, the_simpilot said:

PMDG's 737-700 received pricing, $69.99 on launch and $74.99 later. This is what I think is the right move from a developer stand point and there are lessons here for others to learn. This is what I call a bargain.

Pricing is far more complex. The 737 is the most popular aircraft while the MD82 is hardly known by anyone. Making the Md82 cost 50 dollars would probably not attract as many additional customers as you would need to make up for the lower price, so profit would actually be less for Leonardo.
Also while you are praising PMDG keep in mind that the 737 with all variants will in the end cost 250 dollars, while the Maddog with all variants will be around 100 dollars (taken from the 30 dollars from the P3D version of the MD83&88 variants). You are comparing only the first entry of two entirely different pricing models: The Maddog has the classic "base package + lowly priced expansion" model, while the PMDG takes the full price for every single variant ( a bit less for the 600 apparently).
 

5 hours ago, Fiorentoni said:

Also while you are praising PMDG keep in mind that the 737 with all variants will in the end cost 250 dollars, while the Maddog with all variants will be around 100 dollars (taken from the 30 dollars from the P3D version of the MD83&88 variants). You are comparing only the first entry of two entirely different pricing models: The Maddog has the classic "base package + lowly priced expansion" model, while the PMDG takes the full price for every single variant ( a bit less for the 600 apparently).

I see people keep making the overall cost of the entire product line an argument, but I daresay that's almost completely moot. Very few people are going to buy every single variant of the 737 and they will have enough motivation to not care about the price. This is a niche. The vast majority, as indicated by lots of posts here and elsewhere, are only going to buy one variant, two tops. This means that both product and pricing strategy are far more consumer friendly than before, since you pick up the variant you want without having to buy another one you're not into and for a lower price as well. Plus many are getting an entire variant for free and a discount on a second.

If there was equal interest in all variants from the majority of potential buyers this would be a hard-to-swallow-pill for the consumer. But the complete opposite is the case, hence the price point of all variants added up is basically irrelevant.

5 minutes ago, threegreen said:

I see people keep making the overall cost of the entire product line an argument (...) The vast majority, as indicated by lots of posts here and elsewhere, are only going to buy one variant, two tops.

To be perfectly fair to the product line argument, the entire Leonardo lineup will still be cheaper (if the expansion is 30 Euro) than only the 737 + 738 ($145).

The argument obviously ignores how niche the Maddog is, the lackluster sounds and textures, the lack of incentive to buy the expansions, etc, but if I want 3 Maddog Variants or 2 737 variants, my wallet would prefer the Maddog. Also, to us Americans, the difference between $75 for the 737-800 or $79 for the MD-83 isn't that drastic. The absence of VAT absolutely brings the Maddog down into "reasonably priced" territory.

4 minutes ago, WestAir said:

To be perfectly fair to the product line argument, the entire Leonardo lineup will still be cheaper (if the expansion is 30 Euro) than only the 737 + 738 ($145).

The argument obviously ignores how niche the Maddog is, the lackluster sounds and textures, the lack of incentive to buy the expansions, etc, but if I want 3 Maddog Variants or 2 737 variants, my wallet would prefer the Maddog. Also, to us Americans, the difference between $75 for the 737-800 or $79 for the MD-83 isn't that drastic. The absence of VAT absolutely brings the Maddog down into "reasonably priced" territory.

I hear you, but I think what's key is how the consumers behave rather than how the pricing models compare in theory, hence all prices added up isn't helpful and far from reality imho. I do think the reality is that for the vast majority of people this is a much better model than before.

45 minutes ago, threegreen said:

I see people keep making the overall cost of the entire product line an argument, but I daresay that's almost completely moot. Very few people are going to buy every single variant of the 737 and they will have enough motivation to not care about the price. This is a niche. The vast majority, as indicated by lots of posts here and elsewhere, are only going to buy one variant, two tops. This means that both product and pricing strategy are far more consumer friendly than before, since you pick up the variant you want without having to buy another one you're not into and for a lower price as well. Plus many are getting an entire variant for free and a discount on a second.

If there was equal interest in all variants from the majority of potential buyers this would be a hard-to-swallow-pill for the consumer. But the complete opposite is the case, hence the price point of all variants added up is basically irrelevant.

I wasn't saying that PMDG's pricing strategy is not consumer friendly, although I have a hard time to believe they would chose a strategy that is more consumer friendly than business friendly. I think you are underestimating how many people will buy the 700, 800 and 900 - all three are rather common aircraft in real life flights, which many people are emulating (VA, some airline career manager, real time etc.). Those will have to pay more than 200 dollars (!).
Also if it was really consumer friendly they'd have split up the BBJ and cargo versions and lowered the price on the pax versions accordingly (which was more or less what they did on P3D). How many will fly the cargo 737 or the BBJ? I argue there are many more people who would only need the pax versions of the 700 800 900 instead of only one variant with all three versions. So in the end people are paying much more for stuff they don't want or need, just like in P3D with the base package 800/900, actually worse as I laid out above (the 800/900 pax base package at least covers most people's needs perfectly).

53 minutes ago, Fiorentoni said:

I wasn't saying that PMDG's pricing strategy is not consumer friendly, although I have a hard time to believe they would chose a strategy that is more consumer friendly than business friendly. I think you are underestimating how many people will buy the 700, 800 and 900 - all three are rather common aircraft in real life flights, which many people are emulating (VA, some airline career manager, real time etc.). Those will have to pay more than 200 dollars (!).
Also if it was really consumer friendly they'd have split up the BBJ and cargo versions and lowered the price on the pax versions accordingly (which was more or less what they did on P3D). How many will fly the cargo 737 or the BBJ? I argue there are many more people who would only need the pax versions of the 700 800 900 instead of only one variant with all three versions. So in the end people are paying much more for stuff they don't want or need, just like in P3D with the base package 800/900, actually worse as I laid out above (the 800/900 pax base package at least covers most people's needs perfectly).

Well, I agree that PMDG aren't going to pick a strategy that is benefitting the consumer more than the business and frankly they'd be stupid to do so because they'd slowly but surely run their business into the ground.

The key is how many people are going to buy all four or at least three variants. We can disagree on the number as much as we want to because there's no statistic to prove either position and internet posts aren't representative. However, since the product scheme has been announced I've seen very few people say they're going to buy more than two, while most say they'll only buy one. At least from what I have seen it seems for every person that buys more than two variants there are at least five that buy one or two. That's why I think that this is benefitting most people, even if doesn't please everyone.

Edited May 8, 20224 yr by threegreen

without the autobrake package the spoiler won't arm, is this normal?

Anyone having CTD's after the update? I had so many CTD's without being able to pinpoint what is the reason. Sometimes it's at the gate when preparing sometimes it's mid flight sometimes it's on approach.

Just now, the_simpilot said:

Anyone having CTD's after the update? I had so many CTD's without being able to pinpoint what is the reason. Sometimes it's at the gate when preparing sometimes it's mid flight sometimes it's on approach.

I have very limited time so I've only done one flight since the update, and I had a CTD during an uneventful CAVOC cruise. Didn't have a CTD on my only flight I did before the update.

15 minutes ago, WestAir said:

I have very limited time so I've only done one flight since the update, and I had a CTD during an uneventful CAVOC cruise. Didn't have a CTD on my only flight I did before the update.

I had probably 7 CTD's and was not able to complete a single flight after the update. I am perfectly fine with other aircraft.

5 hours ago, threegreen said:

I see people keep making the overall cost of the entire product line an argument, but I daresay that's almost completely moot. Very few people are going to buy every single variant of the 737 and they will have enough motivation to not care about the price. This is a niche. The vast majority, as indicated by lots of posts here and elsewhere, are only going to buy one variant, two tops. This means that both product and pricing strategy are far more consumer friendly than before, since you pick up the variant you want without having to buy another one you're not into and for a lower price as well. Plus many are getting an entire variant for free and a discount on a second.

If there was equal interest in all variants from the majority of potential buyers this would be a hard-to-swallow-pill for the consumer. But the complete opposite is the case, hence the price point of all variants added up is basically irrelevant.

Lets use your argument and see if it stands its own test. 
 

You said people will most likely buy two variants of the 737 at most. If i buy the 800 and 900 for MSFS, im already paying more than i did for the same variants in P3d. 
 

How on earth is PMDGs price strategy already more consumer friendly? Each variant is not for a lower price than before either.
 

PMDG priced these things higher than before and im astounded at how many people are ok with it. 
 

Im begging you to show me the numbers and probe me wrong. Seriously, please prove me wrong.

Why do you want to fly every Variant. For most simmer its ok.

PMDG Announced this in the beginning. Wait for the one you want and buy that. For a simmer this works. Otherwise I have to get every variant, every plane. ITs crowded/.

If you are not a simmer, you are real pilot you can afford.

This is the cheaper strategy! 

Edited May 8, 20224 yr by Manny

23 minutes ago, the_simpilot said:

Anyone having CTD's after the update? I had so many CTD's without being able to pinpoint what is the reason. Sometimes it's at the gate when preparing sometimes it's mid flight sometimes it's on approach.

I did. Try completely uninstall and reinstall (including liveries). Update graphic drivers and try again.

So far I have 3 flights no CTD... knock knock knock..