9 minutes ago, Farlis said:

I guess you are not very good at math.

 

Let's take a look at PMDG's supposedly cheaper pricing model. 
It give the customer more options to decide what they really want, that is true. But if they just want to have the same amount of variants as they got before they are in for a very rude awakening.

The base package of the 737 in P3D which included the 800 and 900 Variants came at a price of $90. That is $45 per variant. The 700 and 600 came in an expansion pack that came at $25. 

So $12.5 per variant. (To make it a little easier I lumped the BBJ and Freighter Variants together with the body type).

Now you pay $75 per Variant with the 600 coming in a bit cheaper.

So how did MSFS bring prices down again? 😉

if I also want an MD80 (USD 22 saving for MSFS) and a premium quality A320 (Fenix 49,99 vs FSlabs 149,95 in P3D).

Right there is 122 USD savings.

Stop being myopic. Look at the broader picture.

Edited May 15, 20224 yr by SAS443

11 minutes ago, Farlis said:

I guess you are not very good at math.

 

Let's take a look at PMDG's supposedly cheaper pricing model. 
It give the customer more options to decide what they really want, that is true. But if they just want to have the same amount of variants as they got before they are in for a very rude awakening.

The base package of the 737 in P3D which included the 800 and 900 Variants came at a price of $90. That is $45 per variant. The 700 and 600 came in an expansion pack that came at $25. 

So $12.5 per variant. (To make it a little easier I lumped the BBJ and Freighter Variants together with the body type).

Now you pay $75 per Variant with the 600 coming in a bit cheaper.

So how did MSFS bring prices down again? In case of PMDG they haver raise ludicrously. At least when you expect the same bang for the buck as before.

If you think about which variants you really used you can save some money by just picking what you really, really need. But not really that much.

Not just the PMDG 737 though.  You have to consider the price of the BAe 146, Leonardo Maddog, and Fenix A320. They are all priced more competitively than they would be for other simulation platforms.

2 minutes ago, SAS443 said:

Stop being myopic. Look at the broader picture.

What broader picture? I mean if you'd get two car variants for 90.000 bucks, but you really don't need only one, you can buy just one for 75.000 now. But they basically gave you a second car for 15.000 bucks before, now they want you to spend another 75.000. How is that better? It's a psychological trick, nothing more. They increased their prices astronomically.

Look I'm not complaining. I got the 700 for free, because I was an early NGXu adopter. So i'll get the 800, which I really want for $45 with the remaining of my credit, which is basically what I paid for it in the old package price before.

8 minutes ago, Farlis said:

What broader picture?

You literally said "How did MSFS bring prices down". I gave you an example how.

Are my numbers wrong? Yes or no?

Edited May 15, 20224 yr by SAS443

You guys left out the TFDi MD-11. This is one I'm waiting for for cargo fights.

Edited May 15, 20224 yr by Wise87

5 hours ago, Greazer said:

Economies of scale. If you can sell more it should be cheaper. Better for all, customers and developers. And the weak (FSLabs) they drop off, because they cannot compete on quality or price.

And somehow also self-regulating. If you won't offer for a reasonable price, your competitor will beat you.

I always wanted to get into Flight Sims again. Played FS 2004. 

But all the youtube videos of P3D or XPlane11 that looked decent or even great listed a ton of addons, mostly payware worth a few hundred dollers. 

With MSFS i get the whole world in decent quality without storing 500GB of data. Just need a decent internet connection. With the World Update for Germany i fly VFR at my local airport and notice every village, lake and forest. Almost perfect out of the box.

Asobo and MS have done a great job.

5 hours ago, Greazer said:

Economies of scale. If you can sell more it should be cheaper. Better for all, customers and developers. And the weak (FSLabs) they drop off, because they cannot compete on quality or price.

You and everybody else are assuming what FSLABS etc will be doing for MSFS. 
 

We have no idea what feature set, pricing etc they will end up bringing out, 

Will Fenix be first to market? Sure but FSlabs may come in just as cheap or do as PMDG and just sell individual variants.

I hate when people compare to something on another Sim about quality/pricing etc. We have no idea what FSlabs plan to do besides them saying they are working thru MSFS

I also have a feeling these bigger companies such as PMDG known for sure and FSLabs are still making money and can afford the development because they hired more support staff and more developers. 
 

Once fslabs decides to provide pricing and a feature set then we can come back and compare to see who offers a better deal, we just don’t know and won’t for some time. 
I mean 49 pounds for 1 variant seems awesome for now. I could see them giving the other A320 as an update but I’m sure future expansions would cost, also pretty sure pro sim is still working on the A320 IAE which fslabs have all 3 A319/320/321 modeled etc for both variants along with Sharklets.

I am glad the Fenix is coming out as it will be another cool payware plane to use but I am curious how fast the others will come unless they hire a ton of devs etc to take on the other variants etc not produced by ProSim at the moment which I feel like is what people are forgetting, you may get an A320 CFM pretty quick but I have a serious doubt the rest will be fast by any means.

anyways thanks for coming to my Ted talk today 🙂

So if we agree that the fenix A320 is next.  What do we expect to be the one after that, and after that?  A310 must be getting somewhat close?

8 minutes ago, micstatic said:

A310 must be getting somewhat close?

Yes I believe iniBuild A310 is in the horizon. I am excited for that one as well as I have their A300 on XP11 and they were really pushed everything to the edge and I can imagine they will be doing that same on MSFS where they will push it to the edge and we can expect Fenix details from them.

3 hours ago, Mroberts95 said:

We have no idea what feature set, pricing etc they will end up bringing out, 

Well if FSL is planning to bring their already outdated cockpit in P3D to MSFS, then really good luck to them. 

Price? You really expect FSL the most expensive payware on P3D to be as cheap as Fenix in MSFS? LoL 

Edited May 15, 20224 yr by omarsmak30

4 minutes ago, omarsmak30 said:

Well if FSL is planning to bring their already outdated cockpit in P3D to MSFS, then really good luck to them. 

Price? You really expect FSL the most expensive payware on P3D to be as cheap as Fenix in MSFS? LoL 

If, and this is a big “if,” the Fenix A320 is just as good or better than the FSL A320, I don’t know how FSL can charge more than Fenix.  FSL would be laughed out of town, and very few people would buy the FSL A320 for MSFS.

Just now, abrams_tank said:

If, and this is a big “if,” the Fenix A320 is just as good or better than the FSL A320, I don’t know how FSL can charge more than Fenix.  FSL would be laughed out of town, and very few people would buy the FSL A320 for MSFS.

Well I believe is better, just look on how humble Aamir and his team listening to the community, active here, interacting in Discord. Many of the small details (like flaps shake where there is no payware has done that apart from Zibo) they implemented based on the community feedback. Even if is not better than FSL, it will be for sure. 

7 minutes ago, abrams_tank said:

If, and this is a big “if,” the Fenix A320 is just as good or better than the FSL A320, I don’t know how FSL can charge more than Fenix.  FSL would be laughed out of town, and very few people would buy the FSL A320 for MSFS.

There you go again, expecting flight sim consumers to behave rationally, when has that ever been a thing?

4 hours ago, Farlis said:

I guess you are not very good at math.

 

Let's take a look at PMDG's supposedly cheaper pricing model. 
It give the customer more options to decide what they really want, that is true. But if they just want to have the same amount of variants as they got before they are in for a very rude awakening.

The base package of the 737 in P3D which included the 800 and 900 Variants came at a price of $90. That is $45 per variant. The 700 and 600 came in an expansion pack that came at $25. 

So $12.5 per variant. (To make it a little easier I lumped the BBJ and Freighter Variants together with the body type).

Now you pay $75 per Variant with the 600 coming in a bit cheaper.

So how did MSFS bring prices down again? In case of PMDG they haver raise ludicrously. At least when you expect the same bang for the buck as before.

If you think about which variants you really used you can save some money by just picking what you really, really need. But not really that much.

The only 737 I am interested in, or have ever been interested in, is the 700. I enjoy all three variants: passenger, BBJ and freighter. 

I P3D I first had to buy the 800/900 base package because it was a prerequisite for the expansions. It was $99, not $90. Then the 700/600 expansion for $25. You can’t just “lump in” the BBJ and freighter. They were not free - each cost $35. In total I paid $194 to get the 700 with passenger, BBJ and freighter. The 600, 800 and 900 were “there” on my P3D sim installation, but they were a waste of HDD space and money - I never flew any of them.

In MSFS, I got the 700 with BBJ and Freighter included for the intro price of 69.95. Since I qualified for the $99 credit I actually paid nothing and still have $30 credit remaining. 

Now, I realize I am probably somewhat unique in wanting only the 700 and I can’t say I’m not pleased it came out first in MSFS, but even if it hadn’t, the same pricing advantage would have applied. All indications are that the 800 is the most popular 737 model among simmers. If I had wanted that (instead of the 700) I just would have to have waited a few weeks more - and like the 700, the BBJ and freighter versions of the 800 will be included at no extra charge.

The only customers that will be at a pricing disadvantage when it comes to P3D vs MSFS, are those who want every 737 variant possible. They will indeed pay more (all together) than they would have paid in P3D. Those who want only one or even two of the four possible models will pay less. 

I have no problem with PMDG’s pricing strategy for MSFS.