3 minutes ago, lwt1971 said:

Exactly this 🙂 ... Almost feels like every PMDG thread seems like a release valve for these ex/current P3D users and/or RSR haters to vent and rage on, as that seems to somehow comfort them lol. A portion of reddit has always been anti-PMDG and recently blew up again and became an overblown circlej**k of hating over the takedown of some freeware texture mods. Given that all this has apparently gone on for years, I don't think PMDG and RSR really care about these vocal minorities, not especially when they're busy counting the incoming flood of revenue from a hugely expanded base of customers.

Now some here keep insisting they have valid reasons to be angry since PMDG released the -700 without some of the new features, even if PMDG explicitly said that those features will only come later... so then why get angry about that?, is it not a matter of just waiting until those features come for free if they really deem those features vital? Would they have been equally angry if PMDG had done the first release of the 737 in around 2-3 months? or would they have raged about how they're delaying too much?

For those who keep insisting that PMDG just releases more of the same, well like I keep saying, to be able to even fly a 737 equivalent to the fidelity at which it was available in P3D, with much better exterior/interior visuals, in a sim like MSFS with vastly superior world visuals, is a significant thing. If the lack of an EFB or LNAV 2.0 so vastly deteriorates that experience for you, then just muster up some patience and wait until those features come, what's the problem with that? Oh, unless you are part of this group that waits for any chance to vent on PMDG 🙂

It is all becoming curiously entertaining to watch I must admit. I do wonder what they'll all vent and rage about when all the "new" features are released in around 1-2 months (LNAV 2.0, new EFB with simbrief/navigraph integrations, interior texture/modelling to MSFS standards, weather depiction via new SU10 APIs, etc). And by the time the 777/747 come out those birds should have all this new stuff. Well, I'm sure they'll find new reasons or focus purely on RSR's personality/verbosity or PMDG's forum moderation, or whatever else they can grasp on to continue the outrage cycle 🙂

Totally agree with this.  Can't believe the waffle I've been reading on this thread.  Everything from no EFB to some bloke telling us veteran simmers that if we don't know "RJR" then we're no good.  Who is this "RJR" anyway lol?  I think I know who that bloke is talking about and if you want to rip him, he could at least get the initials right.

But back to this post, I couldn't agree more.  It was developers like PMDG who were innovative enough to challenge the shortcomings of FS9/FSX and P3D and bring enjoyment to so many of us.  Imagine if they kept developing for FS9 and didn't move forward to the newer sims, do you think they'd still be in business?  The answer is no.

Give the guys over at PMDG a break, they've given us an amazing product with a promise of upgrades over the next few weeks.  We'll get the EFB, no need to panic.  Personally I love flying it, it's quite incredible to look at and fly.  So instead of bashing the company that's pushed flight simming to limit, consider supporting them and thanking them for everything they've done for our community.

Jase

I find it kinda funny that a lot of the ranting/venting is from folk who are accusing others of ranting and venting.

 

1 hour ago, Ricardo41 said:

the three points I made above:

1. No proper simbrief integration (compared to, say, the freeware 787 mod)
2. Lowrez textures (look at the texture work on the wheel wells and on the galley in the cabin)
3. No EFB (compared to, say, the freeware FbW mod for the default A320)

are in no way a "personal vendetta". Rather, they are simply factual observations.

Now, I'm perfectly fine with someone saying: I don't care about these things! but this has nothing to do with "personal vendettas". It's business.

This would be a valid point if the 737 was never going to have direct Simbrief access or an EFB, but these features are coming. Randazzo was very clear that the initial release would not have everything included. Can you imagine the hue and cry that would have arisen in the community if he had pushed back initial release of the airplane an additional 3 or 4 months to add these features?

Besides, Simbrief does work now with an additional download step during preflight. 

He also said (before release) that some textures were not yet fully fleshed out, and he mentioned the wheel wells specifically. That makes sense, as this is a part of the aircraft you can’t even see unless you go through a lot of drone camera maneuvering to stick your head in there. As a mechanic who has spent many hours working in the wheel wells of real airliners, it is a part of the aircraft that is typically “butt ugly” in real life - very dirty with grease, hydraulic fluid seepage, and lots of black soot from carbon brake dust. If the wheel wells were currently rendered with 100 percent hi-res accuracy (as they actually look) people would probably complain about that.

I have logged over 50 hours in the 737-700 since it was released for MSFS and have enjoyed every minute of it. If the “galley” textures aren’t up to snuff I’ll take your word for it, but frankly I have not gone into the cabin one single time in those 50 hours.

4 minutes ago, JRBarrett said:

 

 As a mechanic who has spent many hours working in the wheel wells of real airliners, it is a part of the aircraft that is typically “butt ugly” in real life - very dirty with grease, hydraulic fluid seepage, and lots of black soot from carbon brake dust. If the wheel wells were currently rendered with 100 percent hi-res accuracy (as they actually look) people would probably complain about that.

 

There is sim life and real life.  Its like the real 737 pilot on YouTube that says his airline requires the route to be manually entered into the FMC...no Simbrief (or real world equivalent) integration there.

58 minutes ago, JRBarrett said:

with an additional download step during preflight. 

Perhaps this could be amended to note that it's possible to set an option in the Simbrief Downloader software to automatically download newly created OFP and wx files to the relevant PMDG folders. At that point, these data files are available through the CDU. 

Easy, peasy. Those who feel themselves totally committed to carrying out these and other functions via an EFB should not purchase PMDG add-ons at this time. There are alternatives. We'll let you know when the EFB becomes available in the 73 line.

Best wishes to everyone for a safe and pleasant summer.

12 minutes ago, Kyuss said:

Probably because it happens endlessly in every single PMDG thread posted here. It's the same people complaining about the same things over and over every time.

Yeah,, I see a lot of people complaining.

6 hours ago, JaseMelbo said:

 So instead of bashing the company that's pushed flight simming to limit, consider supporting them and thanking them for everything they've done for our community.

I already did thank them 3 times, others did so 5 times. How often did you thank them?

People are hating on pmdg lately and others really wonder why? It’s not the P3D prices nor the lack of 2022 functionality like an EFB. For me it’s the fight against modders. On the one side we have Todd Howard announcing Bethesdas new Starfield blockbuster game and telling everyone he can’t wait what the modders will do with it. On the other side we have pmdg living in 2005 in a niche market where every € counts and are fighting the hardcore fans with ridiculous word not allowed by taking down mods.

this alone made me never buy the 737. good luck with ur business Michelangelo Randalo

Who is Todd Howard ?

15 minutes ago, Beagle12 said:

Who is Todd Howard ?

Head of Bethesda game studios.  Dev of many games including Skyrim.  Not immune to controversy himself.

People that are sticking up for this 737 mess are getting gaslighted by PMDG and don't even know it.  When you've been pineappled a few times you wake up to what's happening to you.  Fenix has been a good example of not resting on your laurels.  But I can't blame PMDG as they've been working on the same plane for what 20 years? Just go to work and get paid hey. I'd be bored too.

Edited June 22, 20223 yr by VBHB

22 minutes ago, VBHB said:

People that are sticking up for this 737 mess are getting gaslighted by PMDG and don't even know it.  When you've been pineappled a few times you wake up to what's happening to you.  Fenix has been a good example of not resting on your laurels.  But I can't blame PMDG as they've been working on the same plane for what 20 years? Just go to work and get paid hey. I'd be bored too.

Then why not just don't buy it, then no need to complain. I only came back to flight simming with the launch of MSFS after decades away from it. Ok the PMDG 737 is not as feature rich as the Fenix A320 was at launch. But PMDG did state things like the EFB, Lnav, etc, etc will be implemented as soon as it's possible.  . I bought both, and enjoy both, It seems to me there's a section of the sim world that have a really serious agenda when it comes to this dev, which for me is quite baffling,

Don't  know  why  users  keep posting  on pmdg  threads  where  they  stated  many  time  they  either  havnt  bought  it  or  never  will,  wonder  why trolling 🙂

33 minutes ago, VBHB said:

People that are sticking up for this 737 mess are getting gaslighted by PMDG and don't even know it.  

Yeah, keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better.

31 minutes ago, Swe_Richard said:

Yeah, keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better.

 I'll use my PMDG credit when there's something worth using it on.

Edited June 22, 20223 yr by VBHB