July 20, 20223 yr 23 minutes ago, Virtual-Chris said: It’s sad that after 2 years, in-game ATC is still so poor. It’s such a critical part of flight, especially IFR. I guess it’s still very much a VFR game/sim. Is Pilot2ATC still one of the better ATC solutions? You can fly IFR without ATC... I do all the time. 🙂 Bert
July 20, 20223 yr 12 minutes ago, Virtual-Chris said: It’s sad that after 2 years, in-game ATC is still so poor. It’s such a critical part of flight, especially IFR. I guess it’s still very much a VFR game/sim. Is Pilot2ATC still one of the better ATC solutions? It's sad that after 30+ years of flight sims, in-game ATC is still poor in all of them. It's such a critical part of flight, especially IFR. (Fixed that one for you 🙃) IFR in the Fenix A320, PMDG737, BAE146, Maddog-82, or Flybwire A320 (free) using VATSim and to a lesser extent Pilot2ATC are about the best IFR experience you'll ever get (of have ever had access to) in a computer program written primarily for consumers looking to spend a one time cost of around $60 to $120. I agree with you that a robust and well done default ATC is sorely missing for us solo flyers, but an actual person is not going to be surpassed in terms of realism and simulation if that's what you are looking for in your experience. ATC has never been a huge priority for P3D, XPlane, or MSFS and I think it's partially because the vast majority of simulation seekers are on VATSim already and it provides something AI never could. Historically add-on developers have been few and far between as well because the market might not be there even if it seems like it around here.
July 20, 20223 yr 2 minutes ago, Bert Pieke said: You can fly IFR without ATC... I do all the time. 🙂 I have been flying MSFS 2020 IFR since the day one with PF3 for ATC. Works great. Edited July 20, 20223 yr by Bobsk8
July 20, 20223 yr The flight director now works without the autopilot on. That was such a frustrating issue. Laminar Research customer -- Asobo/MS customer -- not an X-Aviation customer - or am I? 😉
July 20, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, TravelRunner404 said: It's sad that after 30+ years of flight sims, in-game ATC is still poor in all of them. It's such a critical part of flight, especially IFR. (Fixed that one for you 🙃) IFR in the Fenix A320, PMDG737, BAE146, Maddog-82, or Flybwire A320 (free) using VATSim and to a lesser extent Pilot2ATC are about the best IFR experience you'll ever get (of have ever had access to) in a computer program written primarily for consumers looking to spend a one time cost of around $60 to $120. I agree with you that a robust and well done default ATC is sorely missing for us solo flyers, but an actual person is not going to be surpassed in terms of realism and simulation if that's what you are looking for in your experience. ATC has never been a huge priority for P3D, XPlane, or MSFS and I think it's partially because the vast majority of simulation seekers are on VATSim already and it provides something AI never could. Historically add-on developers have been few and far between as well because the market might not be there even if it seems like it around here. Yeah, it seems odd to me that MSFS has things like fuel trucks and flag people, moving jetways, and stuff like that which are clearly aimed at increasing immersion while the ATC is telling you to change to flight level 200 on approach. 😄 Just spend a bit more effort on the ATC... it doesn't need to be as realistic as talking to a real person, it just needs to not do stupid random flight level assignments.
July 20, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, Bobsk8 said: I have been flying MSFS 2020 IFR since the day one with PF3 for ATC. Works great. That seems like a decent solution. It's much lighter and less cluttered than Pilot2ATC and seems to offer a pretty realistic experience. Thanks!
July 20, 20223 yr Remember that you can ignore ATC if you want to control the IFR flight. Worst that can happen is that you will get reprimanded for landing on the wrong runway. sp
July 21, 20223 yr 2 hours ago, Sky_Pilot071 said: Remember that you can ignore ATC if you want to control the IFR flight. Worst that can happen is that you will get reprimanded for landing on the wrong runway. sp I want to simulate proper IFR commercial flight. Not a Harrison Ford style incident. 🙂 Edited July 21, 20223 yr by Virtual-Chris
July 21, 20223 yr It's better, but nowhere near what I thought it would be today when it was released. System: I ASRock X670E | AMD 7800X3D | 64Gb DDR5 6000 | RTX 4090 | 2TB NVMe | Seasonic Vertex 1000W I LG Ultra Gear 34 UW I
July 21, 20223 yr When the sim was released I, and maybe we, expected: 1) Airplanes (GA to Airliners) that were complete and perfect. 2) Airports to be fully modeled. 3) Live Weather that gave us a realistic flying experience. 4) A working ATC for both VFR & IFR operations with voice commands. 5) AI Traffic (GA & Airliners.) 6) Flight planning tools that were easy to use and that integrated with each aircraft's avionics. Plus, a stable platform with good fps. I also wanted all my controllers to work and they did. There has been some growing pains, but overall ASOBO has exceeded my expectations and they still have 8 years to improve all aspects the sim. MSFS
July 21, 20223 yr 5 hours ago, CFIJose said: When the sim was released I, and maybe we, expected: 1) Airplanes (GA to Airliners) that were complete and perfect. 2) Airports to be fully modeled. 3) Live Weather that gave us a realistic flying experience. 4) A working ATC for both VFR & IFR operations with voice commands. 5) AI Traffic (GA & Airliners.) 6) Flight planning tools that were easy to use and that integrated with each aircraft's avionics. Plus, a stable platform with good fps. I also wanted all my controllers to work and they did. There has been some growing pains, but overall ASOBO has exceeded my expectations and they still have 8 years to improve all aspects the sim. Unless this is heavily sarcastic, I don’t understand how those could be your expectations and that you feel they’ve exceeded them. None of your expectations have been met as far as I can tell… 2 years after release. Edited July 21, 20223 yr by Virtual-Chris
July 22, 20223 yr 22 hours ago, Virtual-Chris said: Unless this is heavily sarcastic, I don’t understand how those could be your expectations and that you feel they’ve exceeded them. None of your expectations have been met as far as I can tell… 2 years after release. It has exceeded my expectations because I deleted P3D & XP11 and I don't miss them at all. For me, despite all the areas of the core sim that can be improved, it's still my favorite flightsim of all time. Flying in the Caribbean or tropical destinations was only but a dream before MSFS 2020. I'll go as far as to say that this sim, to ME, blows all my other sims (FSX/P3D/XP11) away and I've experienced fully loaded sims. MSFS right now, is fully loaded! I have many amazing payware aircraft, many excellent payware airports, FSRealistic, AIG traffic, and a working ATC. I even have my GoFlight software & modules working. So I'm very happy with what has been achieved by ASOBO and the team after 2 years. MSFS
July 22, 20223 yr "What has changed since launch?" Holy, i would say a lot of things.. cheers 😉 08.2024 new PC is online : ASUS ROG STRIX X670E-F GAMING WIFI Mainboard, AMD Ryzen™ 9 7950X3D Prozessor, G.Skill DIMM 64 GB DDR5-6000 (2x 32 GB) Dual-Kit, MSI GeForce RTX 4090 VENTUS 3X E 24G OC Grafikkarte, 2x WD Black SN850X NVMe SSD 4 TB - Drive C+D, WD Gold Enterprise Class 12 TB for storage HDD, Thermaltake Toughpower GF3 1000W PC - Power supply, Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 EVO CPU Aircooler with 7 Heatpipes, Design Meshify 2 White TG Clear Tint Tower-Case, 3x 4K monitors 2x32 Samsung 1x27 LG 3840x2160, Windows11 Prof. 23H2 - now Windows11 Prof. 25H2 Flightsimulator Hardware: Honeycomb Throttle Bravo, Logitech Extreme 3D Pro, Logitech Flight Joke System, XBox Controller, some Thrustmaster stuff, Winwing CDU Panels.
July 22, 20223 yr nevermind, someone else already posted what I was going to say. Edited July 22, 20223 yr by Fiorentoni For transparency: I'm a community mentor at the BATC discord. However, I do not get paid for it in any way.
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