The 737 BBJ is the obvious answer... you're not going to find anything in a desktop sim that's simulated as well as PMDG does the 737 family. 

49 minutes ago, Stearmandriver said:

 

Delete NM

Edited July 29, 20223 yr by jbdbow1970

Huh? 

20 hours ago, Ricardo41 said:

Heavy Division 787 mod. Saltys 747 mod. In many ways, these two are at or above payware level (for example, simbrief integration, which other "highly regarded payware companies" with "500 real world piots" are struggling to implement. 

I don't think they are "above" PMDG level. They are good freeware aircraft for sure and I appreciate every single piece of msfs content out there but just by watching videos about them for a few minutes, you see that those addons don't even have the original boeing fonts but just some font that is similar to the one used by boeing 😉

 

Again, good work to the guys at HD and Salty, but I doubt that those are better than PMDG.

Disclaimer: no, I'm not a PMDG word not allowed. In fact, I've decided 2018 to never ever spend a single penny on their products and I've successfully stuck to that intent since then 😉

On 7/28/2022 at 10:43 PM, MySound said:

My gosh. Did a PMDG guy do something wrong to you?

The HD787 is a million times worse than the 737. 

LH virtual pilot here. It's now 22/06/2023 @16:07 in London and I can tell you as a veteran FSX simmer, now on MSFS with ever growing frustration and disappointment with the lack of High Fidelity, LH airliners and expensive, rip-off scenery and aircraft by the flightsim con-artists and leeches (Captainsim for starters)...The HD787 is unflyable. It's wing roots look like tree truncks, just like that aweful A320NEO offering. The 747 somehow manages to be worse in terms of flight dynamics and that is the Salty mod which begs the question, just how horrid was these stock planes fresh from Microsoft. I am growing so much resentment towards Microsoft. 3 Years I waited to buy and get all my addons expecting there to be at least ONE long haul, proper airliner like the A340 series, B767 etc. Nothing. PMDG like always will drag their feet instead of hiring equally competent and highly passionate staff to accelerate their product line. At this frigging rate, we will have to wait another 8 years before we get the new version of the B747, let alone a B787, B757, A350 and so on.

I think long-haul is something of a niche within a niche, and as such it's not a surprise that those aircraft are situated at the long end of the development timeline.

Lots of people either don't have the time to spend flying an 8-hour leg, or would lapse into unconsciousness from boredom trying to do so.  I did it for years in the real world myself, and as a result my sim flying of long-haul jets generally involves skip-ahead or accelerated flight to eliminate the mind-numbing hours of droning at cruise.  I think the best way to realistically simulate a long-haul cargo flight is to make a giant pot of coffee at about 10 PM, then sit in a hard chair next to a running vacuum cleaner and drink coffee there until dawn, only getting up to visit the loo.

So it's entirely logical to me that most of the entries so far are the far more popular short to mid-range planes.

 

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and expensive, rip-off scenery

This is pretty funny, from someone calling themselves a veteran.

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and aircraft by the flightsim con-artists and leeches (Captainsim for starters)

If the aircraft isn't to your level of high fidelity, it's just not for you. Doesn't make them a con-artists much less a leech. No one is forced to buy simplified aircraft.

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...The HD787 is unflyable. It's wing roots look like tree truncks, just like that aweful A320NEO offering.

Does the appareance of the aircraft make it unflyable? News to me.

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The 747 somehow manages to be worse in terms of flight dynamics and that is the Salty mod which begs the question, just how horrid was these stock planes fresh from Microsoft.

You call yourself a veteran FSX simmer, and would call MSFS default planes horrid? interesting, What's the 737 like in FSX?

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I am growing so much resentment towards Microsoft. 3 Years I waited to buy and get all my addons expecting there to be at least ONE long haul, proper airliner like the A340 series, B767 etc. Nothing.

Why are you resentful at microsoft? They made the sim, they're not the aircraft devs. You want high fidelity long-haul aircraft but also think developers are going to opt to bring the lesser popular aircraft to the sim first as opposed to more popular aircraft first?

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PMDG like always will drag their feet instead of hiring equally competent and highly passionate staff to accelerate their product line. At this frigging rate, we will have to wait another 8 years before we get the new version of the B747, let alone a B787, B757, A350 and so on.

I mean I'm not the biggest fan on PMDG, but they have spent the past years releasing the 737 line, which is wildely more popular and financially viable than dedicating time to LHs first.l WT is also doing a pretty nice job on the 747 and 787, feel free to sign up to the beta to give them a try. Long haulers (even though some exist, you just don't want to use them, tbf there's the BBJ and A310 if you need high fidelity) are coming, but you seem to have a bit of amnesia about the waiting time simmers have gone through in previous iterations of flight sim which is ironic considering you call yourself a vetran.

Edited May 22, 20233 yr by Lucky38i
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As of yesterday, with it's newly added VNAV feature (based off the FBW A320) the Headwinds A330 is very good. I did a trip from Los Angeles to Tel Aviv last night (light PAX and fully fueled) and it worked like a charm. I had waited to download the plane until it had VNAV implemented so yesterday when the notification went out that it did, I went for it. If anyone is holding out or hasn't tried it, please do. I think it's probably our best long haul option right, unless of course you count the PMDG BBJ. 

Edited May 22, 20233 yr by Bdub22

Currently flying the Headwind 330 AMS-ATL noticing about 800kgs difference in fuel some have reported about 1000-2000kgs discrepancy fuel flow burning around 2400-2600 an hour. 

1 minute ago, carlanthony24 said:

Currently flying the Headwind 330 AMS-ATL noticing about 800kgs difference in fuel some have reported about 1000-2000kgs discrepancy fuel flow burning around 2400-2600 an hour. 

Are you using the specific simbrief profile for the VNAV-alpha-version? They said they have done a (new) specific one for that.

Just now, Fiorentoni said:

Are you using the specific simbrief profile for the VNAV-alpha-version? They said they have done a (new) specific one for that.

I am indeed

Just now, carlanthony24 said:

I am indeed

Alright maybe report it to them then. Though, to be honest, 800-1000 kgs discrepancy after landing is not much on a long hauler and can easily be explained by different approaches / SIDs (shortcuts?) or different weather than planned.

Just now, Fiorentoni said:

Alright maybe report it to them then. Though, to be honest, 800-1000 kgs discrepancy after landing is not much on a long hauler and can easily be explained by different approaches / SIDs (shortcuts?) or different weather than planned.

It can no short cuts since transatlantic still. Weather has been spot on pretty much see what happens at the end.

5 hours ago, Bdub22 said:

As of yesterday, with it's newly added VNAV feature (based off the FBW A320) the Headwinds A330 is very good. I did a trip from Los Angeles to Tel Aviv last night (light PAX and fully fueled) and it worked like a charm. I had waited to download the plane until it had VNAV implemented so yesterday when the notification went out that it did, I went for it. If anyone is holding out or hasn't tried it, please do. I think it's probably our best long haul option right, unless of course you count the PMDG BBJ. 

Did my first flight with it too (KSFO toRJAA). Works like a charm indeed from TO to landing. I loved the GSX integration and wish other tubeliner addons did the same. Only thing I really missed was dual FMCs.

Flight went well VNAV was smooth, speed dropped to lower band bracket in managed once passed through FL260. Fuel went between 1000-2000kgs discrepancy in the end going to add P2 to fuel factor next time.