September 30, 20223 yr 4 hours ago, rka said: Not buying on the marketplace means possibly large amounts of updaters and updates you have to track by yourself. Check website, download update, rinse, repeat. Launch updater, check for update, rinse, repeat. With MP you start the sim and click update and you're done. This is true. But those of us who have been doing flight sims for a long time this is a very small cost. Not a pain at all. Compared to waiting weeks for updates. Or worse. Payware airport where you can’t turn off static ai 5800X3D, 4090FE, 64GB DDR4 3600C16, Gigabyte X570S MB, EVO 970 M.2's, Alienware 3821DW and 2 22" monitors, Corsair RM1000x PSU, 360MM MSI MEG, MFG Crosswind, T16000M Stick, Boeing TCA Yoke/Throttle, Skalarki MCDU and FCU, Logitech Radio Panel/Switch Panel, Spad.Next
September 30, 20223 yr 14 hours ago, Luis Hernandez said: And since I use the Steam version, there's no encryption to worry about. Marketplace purchases on Steam are encrypted. It's the core installation files you're thinking of that aren't encrypted. Edited September 30, 20223 yr by Tuskin38
September 30, 20223 yr 3 hours ago, micstatic said: But those of us who have been doing flight sims for a long time this is a very small cost. Not a pain at all. Speak for yourself, I enjoy the reduced workload the marketplace brings A LOT 🙂 Laminar Research customer -- Asobo/MS customer -- not an X-Aviation customer - or am I? 😉
September 30, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, rka said: Speak for yourself, I enjoy the reduced workload the marketplace brings A LOT 🙂 No matter how many times you repeat yourself, there are others who have good reason to see it differently. The point is that there are quite a few folks who would prefer to accept some minor inconvenience and added maintenance workload if it allows them to gain some flexibility beyond being stuck with encrypted, hard-coded stock configurations. Those people enjoy that flexibility A LOT, too. Bob Scott | President and CEO, AVSIM Inc ATP Gulfstream II-III-IV-V Sys1 (MSFS20+24/XPlane12+11): AMD 9800X3D, water 2x240mm, MSI MPG X670E Carbon, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, nVidia RTX4090FE Alienware AW3821DW 38" 21:9 GSync, 2x4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2x2TB Samsung 990 SSD, EVGA 1000P2 PSU, 12.9" iPad Pro Thrustmaster TCA Boeing Yoke, TCA Airbus Sidestick, Twin TCA Airbus Throttle quads, PFC Cirrus Pedals, Coolermaster HAF932 case Sys2 (P3Dv5/v4): i9-13900KS, water 2x360mm, ASUS Z790 Hero, 32GB GSkill 7800MHz CAS36, ASUS RTX4090 Samsung 55" JS8500 4K TV@60Hz, 3x 2TB WD SN850X 1x 4TB Crucial P3 M.2 NVME SSD, EVGA 1600T2 PSU Fiber link to Yamaha RX-V467 Home Theater Receiver, Polk/Klipsch 6" bookshelf speakers, Polk 12" subwoofer, 12.9" iPad Pro PFC yoke/throttle quad/pedals with custom Hall sensor retrofit, Thermaltake View 71 case, Stream Deck XL button box Sys3 (DCS/P3Dv4/ATS/ETS): AMD 7800X3D, MSI MPG X870E Carbon, Noctua NH-D15S, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, EVGA RTX3090 Alienware AW3420DW 34" 21:9 GSync, Corsair HX1000i PSU, 4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2TB Samsung 970Evo Plus, TM TCA Officer Pack, Saitek combat pedals, TM Warthog, TM RS300 FF wheel/pedals, Coolermaster HAF XB case
September 30, 20223 yr 5 minutes ago, Bob Scott said: No matter how many times you repeat yourself, there are others who have good reason to see it differently. The point is that there are quite a few folks who would prefer to accept some minor inconvenience and added maintenance workload if it allows them to gain some flexibility beyond being stuck with encrypted, hard-coded stock configurations. Those people enjoy that flexibility A LOT, too. I was just responding to a generalizing, incorrent statement which was a direct response to my comment. But thank you for your friendly moderation. Laminar Research customer -- Asobo/MS customer -- not an X-Aviation customer - or am I? 😉
September 30, 20223 yr I haven't bought many add-ons. Am waiting to see if Asobo bother to fix stuff first. I bought one aircraft - the Carenado V35 - from the marketplace (I don't think it was available anywhere else) and it automatically got installed straight into my community folder which I didn't want (I use the addon linker to save loading time etc). I prefer to support developers directly without Microsoft taking a percentage. They're rich enough as it is. Chillblast Core i5 14600KF Liquid Cooled RTX 4070 SUPER 32GB RAM. Internet: 1 Gig Fibre. HoneyComb Throttle & Flight System. UK PPL since 2006 current on PA-28, C-152, C172, Decathlon, C-42 based at EGHP.
September 30, 20223 yr 22 minutes ago, TrafficPilot said: I bought one aircraft - the Carenado V35 - from the marketplace (I don't think it was available anywhere else) and it automatically got installed straight into my community folder Marketplace downloads get put in the 'Official' folder, not the 'Community' folder. But yeah, Carenado only sells their products on the marketplace. Edited September 30, 20223 yr by Tuskin38
September 30, 20223 yr 10 hours ago, rka said: Not buying on the marketplace means possibly large amounts of updaters and updates you have to track by yourself. Check website, download update, rinse, repeat. Launch updater, check for update, rinse, repeat. With MP you start the sim and click update and you're done. Some stores do not have notifications to tell you if a addon has been updated. I have to literally go to my account, look up my downloads and compare exe name for the version # (if the dev explicitly includes it there) or download the addon to see if there is a readme to version text file. I stay with the MP or OrbxDirect, unless there is an addon that is not sold on these 2 stores. But ultimately, I wish everything was sold through the MP...one and done. 17 minutes ago, TrafficPilot said: I prefer to support developers directly without Microsoft taking a percentage. They're rich enough as it is. If I was a developer (particularly a small unknown developer), the exposure that I would get from having my product on the MP (millions of potential buyers) vs my own website (little visibility, maintenance, piracy protection concerns etc.) would be worth the percentage that MS takes. I would only sell through the MP. I believe that FSReborn (Sting S4) gave similar thoughts as to why he only sells through the MP.
September 30, 20223 yr @OverTheEDJ I agree. The best support a developer can possibly get is selling on the marketplace just through the sheer exposure. I would as well sell through the marketplace only. And even though in likely many cases even steam and ms both take their cut, we see lower prices than before. That's a win-win in my book. Laminar Research customer -- Asobo/MS customer -- not an X-Aviation customer - or am I? 😉
September 30, 20223 yr 21 hours ago, Luis Hernandez said: And since I use the Steam version, there's no encryption to worry about. sure sceneries are not encrypted? I suppose the same is not true for 3rd party aircraft? AMD 7800X3D, Windows 11, Gigabyte X670 AORUS Elite AX Motherboard, 64GB DDR5 G.SKILL Trident Z5 NEO RGB (AMD Expo), RTX 4090, Samsung 980 PRO M.2 NVMe SSD 2 TB PCIe 4.0, Samsung 980 PRO M.2 NVMe SSD 1 TB PCIe 4.0, 4K resolution 50" TV @60Hz, VR: Pimax Crystal Light + HP Reverb G2 @ 90 Hz, Honeycomb Bravo Throttle Quadrant, be quiet 1000W PSU, Noctua NH-U12S chromax.black air cooler. 60-130 fps. no CPU overclocking. very nice.
September 30, 20223 yr 22 hours ago, Luis Hernandez said: And since I use the Steam version, there's no encryption to worry about. Marketplace sceneries are encrypted if you use Steam or not. i7-13700KF, 32gb DDR4 3200, RTX 4080, Win 11, MSFS 2024
September 30, 20223 yr 4 hours ago, Tuskin38 said: Marketplace downloads get put in the 'Official' folder, not the 'Community' folder. But yeah, Carenado only sells their products on the marketplace. I stand corrected thank you. I always switch addon's in the linker so assumed (a bad word in aviation) that the V35 was also in my community folder. Ooops. Chillblast Core i5 14600KF Liquid Cooled RTX 4070 SUPER 32GB RAM. Internet: 1 Gig Fibre. HoneyComb Throttle & Flight System. UK PPL since 2006 current on PA-28, C-152, C172, Decathlon, C-42 based at EGHP.
October 1, 20223 yr 17 hours ago, Dave_YVR said: Marketplace sceneries are encrypted if you use Steam or not. I stand corrected, partially: I checked the two sceneries I have (for each of my home airports): while I can see all the textures used; I can't see any BGLs at all. I guess these ones are encrypted. 18 hours ago, turbomax said: I suppose the same is not true for 3rd party aircraft? I'm not sure: I can see several CFGs, but not aircraft.cfg, engines.cfg, flight:model.cfg or systems.cfg. I guess MS encrypted these ones. Anyway, the last times I messed with aircraft.cfg files (in P3D) were for adding liveries or custom cameras. It's been a long time since I tweaked FDE or something like that (back in my FS9 days). Edited October 1, 20223 yr by Luis Hernandez Best regards,Luis Hernández Main rig: self built, AMD Ryzen 7 5700X3D (with SMT off and CO -50 mV), 2x16 GB DDR4-3200 RAM, Nvidia RTX 5060Ti 16GB, 256 GB M.2 SSD (OS+apps) + 2x1 TB SATA III SSD (sims) + 1 TB 7200 rpm HDD (storage), ID-Cooling SE-224-XTS air cooler, Viewsonic VX2458-MHD 1920x1080@120-144 Hz (G-sync compatible), Windows 11. Running P3D v5.4 (with v4.5 scenery objects as an additional library, just in case), FSX-SE, MSFS2020, MSFS2024 and even FS9! Lossless Scaling for all my sims. What a godsend...Mobile rig: ASUS Zenbook UM425QA (AMD Ryzen 7 5800H APU @3.2 GHz and boost disabled, 1 TB M.2 SSD, 16 GB RAM, Windows 11 Pro). Running FS9 there .VKB Gladiator NXT Premium Left + GNX THQ as primary controllers. Xbox Series X|S wireless controller as standby/mobile.
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