22 hours ago, turbomax said:

been to KLAX or EGLL @4k lately?

I've been to all of them including KLAX, KJFK, EDDF, and I don't now, nor ever plan, to move to 4K, it will offer nothing relative to my viewing distance from this 34" display.  IOW, never GPU limited, always CPU limited, hence the next move is to Raptor Lake 6Ghz.

Edited October 8, 20223 yr by Noel

A 4090 will be CPU Limited even with the fastest CPU in MSFS.

1 hour ago, G-RFRY said:

will be CPU Limited even with the fastest CPU in MSFS

MSFS Ltd.

I saw in a unboxing vlog that the MSI X Gaming has a 3x8 pins convert cable.
Strange, all other cards do have a 4x8 pins convert cable

See here :

 

 

Edited October 8, 20223 yr by altenae

5 hours ago, Noel said:

IOW, never GPU limited, always CPU limited, hence the next move is to Raptor Lake 6Ghz.

The 5800x3D is 50% faster than the 12900k in MSFS. How are people still thinking Intel is the right choice for this sim?! The 13900k benchmarks are looking to be 5% or 10% faster than the 12900k. Is the myth that MHZ = FPS an old belief that just won’t die?

2 hours ago, TravelRunner404 said:

The 5800x3D is 50% faster than the 12900k in MSFS. How are people still thinking Intel is the right choice for this sim?! The 13900k benchmarks are looking to be 5% or 10% faster than the 12900k. Is the myth that MHZ = FPS an old belief that just won’t die?

You should soon find out when the real benchmarks are out.

Core i9-13900K Soars To 8.2 GHz, Beating Ryzen 7000's Peak Overclock | Tom's Hardware (tomshardware.com)

3 hours ago, TravelRunner404 said:

The 5800x3D is 50% faster than the 12900k in MSFS. How are people still thinking Intel is the right choice for this sim?! The 13900k benchmarks are looking to be 5% or 10% faster than the 12900k. Is the myth that MHZ = FPS an old belief that just won’t die?

 

source: https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/5800x3d-still-better-than-new-7000-series/545475/5

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To quote Tom’s Hardware:

"The Ryzen 7 5800X3D is simply outstanding in this title, highlighting that the chip can provide huge speedups in some titles. However, that can skew overall rankings. This is why the chip is, on average, the fastest gaming chip in the world, but be aware that can change drastically based on the game you’re playing.

The stock 7950X and 7600X lead the 12900K and 12600K by ~14%. The Intel 12900K and 12600K profit heavily from overclocking, gaining 19% and 16%, respectively, while the Ryzen 7000 chips gain roughly 5% from tuning. Despite Alder’s big overclocking gains, the tuned Ryzen chips land within a few percent of their price-comparable competitors."

 

 

Edited October 8, 20223 yr by Waldo Pepper

Just noticed that Microcenter has a large selection posted as available on the 12th.

9 hours ago, TravelRunner404 said:

The 5800x3D is 50% faster than the 12900k in MSFS.

Wait for the AMD Ryzen 9 -  7950x3D - 5/6 nm structure at CES in January 2023.

Edited October 9, 20223 yr by turbomax

22 hours ago, TravelRunner404 said:

The 5800x3D is 50% faster than the 12900k in MSFS. How are people still thinking Intel is the right choice for this sim?! The 13900k benchmarks are looking to be 5% or 10% faster than the 12900k. Is the myth that MHZ = FPS an old belief that just won’t die?

At the same clock speed, not at 6Ghz.  For it's 8 "performance" cores, 13900K is 53% faster in single-core performance over 5800x3D which might be at 5.8gHz turbo not sure (Passmark).  The reality for me is 12900K is already nearly 30% faster at the same clockspeed in single core than my 9900K is, and at 3440x1440 at 30FPS, would already a massive improvement.  Stick a 13900K into the box at 6gHz and now we're up a whopping 50% better than what I have now and quite frankly what I have now, at 4.9Ghz, delivers liquid smooth performance (30FPS/vsync and don't care about greater frame rate!) but I do have to keep T-LOD while in the PMDG 738 at around 100-120 in the most complex arrival terminals.  This suggests to me at 5.8Ghz or better with modest improvements in IPC  I will have no problem maintaining T-LOD of 200, and quite frankly, between 200 and 400 I see no appreciable difference anyway--double blinded I doubt most would notice much of a difference unless really scrutiizing for it.  When it's time to do the upgrade which I'm really not anticipating for another 1-2 years I will look at AMD's offering and decide. 

6 minutes ago, Noel said:

 For it's 8 "performance" cores, 13900K is 53% faster in single-core performance over 5800x3D

In what benchmark?

2 minutes ago, rka said:

In what benchmark?

As mentioned, Passmark Single Core:   https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleThread.html  I've only used Intel CPUs, never been dissatisfied, and again I see a massive perf boost coming from 9900K to 12900K at 5.8Ghz.

 

Just now, Noel said:

As mentioned, Passmark Single Core:   https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleThread.html  I've only used Intel CPUs, never been dissatisfied, and again I see a massive perf boost coming from 9900K to 12900K at 5.8Ghz.

 

Oh sorry I missed that. Thank you. I thought you were talking about msfs performance, then that would have been very surprising IMHO. For Passmark, well yeah. It's a GHz difference in clock speed.

6 minutes ago, rka said:

Oh sorry I missed that. Thank you. I thought you were talking about msfs performance, then that would have been very surprising IMHO. For Passmark, well yeah. It's a GHz difference in clock speed.

It's some IPC, and some gHz.  I read 5800x3D's stellar MSFS performance doesn't necessarily apply to other titles and so once again, single-thread performance is vastly greater in 13900K over 5800x3D.  If MS abandons development of MSFS or stop streaming service  by the time I'm ready to upgrade CPU/memory then XP12 here we come.  Right now, I have less than no desire to use XP12 as MSFS ticks all boxes already for me.

Edited October 9, 20223 yr by Noel

I will wait another 3 months for AMDs 7950x3D. MSFS seems to benefit from their Vcache more than most other applications and more than what most single core benchmarks suggest. AMD 5.8 GHz vs. Intel 6.0 GHz should be negligible.