4 hours ago, G-RFRY said:

Will MS keep pumping money into MSFS forever unlikely, FS like Windows had an annual injection of funds from the customer as each version is launched, and with windows it still does after saying W10 will be absolutely the last version of Windows THEY LIED, 10 billion invested in windows Mobil nearly 8 billion buying Nokia Scraped a few years later a 10billion right off.  

I learned nothing in this world is forever. I decided to use what I have now as much as possible, and this is actually darn good, even more if I see it from a perspective coming from FS4.

I doubt MS will abandon MSFS within the next few years, and given I'm 70 right now it's a good question if  the EOL of MSFS or the EOL of @pmb will come earlier.

Kind regards, Michael

I’m gonna go for a 4090, hoping there’s enough stock. 🤞

I don`t think you will have a problem buying the 40 series at the price, they are still making 30series GPU`s, and about to releases an updated 3060 the most used GPU in gaming.

GeForce RTX 3060 Seemingly Gets Faster GDDR6X Memory | Tom's Hardware (tomshardware.com)

Edited October 10, 20223 yr by G-RFRY

1 hour ago, guibru said:

I’m gonna go for a 4090, hoping there’s enough stock. 🤞

Can't wait to see the benchmarks!  You'll get one eventually.  Even if there is a new release "tax"

On 10/10/2022 at 8:36 AM, rka said:

What we're seeing here is the introduction of gaming as a service.

The next iteration will be billed monthly IMHO. Until then they can just regularly change the product. This will make changes to add-ons necessary and enter Random Addon V2, which has to be bought again.

My slightly pessimistic two cents.

Your slightly realistic two cents!

For a product stated up front as a 10 year project, once very complete and stable, I think monthly subscription is a giant no-brainer.  I believe they designed the architecture to grapple with steadily improving hardware, including Xbox, and to accomodate this we will see streamed satellite imagery improve as it will over time, w/o the need for a major rewrite.  Same same for the clouds and weather system.  Right now it's tuned to what a range of hardware can manage but that changes over time and as we move on we will see cloud detail/complexity improve as hardware permits.  They don't need a new version because they have built-in accommodation of improving hardware capabilities over the next....8 years.  I think this is the basis for Jorg's sheepish smile:  he knows a little more than anyone here does about their inner planning and projections for MSFS' future.  

Where to Buy Nvidia's GeForce RTX 4090 | Tom's Hardware (tomshardware.com)

Buy one now and help the industry out,

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Edited October 11, 20223 yr by G-RFRY

Check out this new review from Tom's Hardware -- in non-DLSS mode and in 4k the 4090 is only 11% faster than the 3090ti -- https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4090-review/3 (see image 4 of 9 in the 8 Game Average FPS at 4k). Can't wait to see what the results are for P3D.

Really want the Founders Edition. Stopped by Best Buy today to ask how many they’re going to get, but they wouldn’t tell me. Imma try ordering online for morning pickup and if I can’t, I’ll stand in line for the first time in my life to get a computer component on the release day. Sigh. 

42 minutes ago, Drumcode said:

Really want the Founders Edition. Stopped by Best Buy today to ask how many they’re going to get, but they wouldn’t tell me. Imma try ordering online for morning pickup and if I can’t, I’ll stand in line for the first time in my life to get a computer component on the release day. Sigh. 

Just checked to see if there were any Best Buy related offers on any of my credit cards,  found that Amex has one offer. "Get 1 membership reward point per dollar spent".     I try to route my monthly bills through my Amex card and I always pay it off before the end of the month so no interest ever accrues,  but I still get the reward points.   Amex lets you apply those points toward purchases you make,   so last month I got a free PMDG 737 out of my efforts.  😁   

A 4090 should give a nice stack of points to spend.

Edited October 11, 20223 yr by Waldo Pepper

Any links to benchmarks of the 4090 running MSFS at 4K with top shelf CPU?

Edited October 12, 20223 yr by Virtual-Chris

Yep- I'll be buying one.

8 hours ago, Waldo Pepper said:

Just checked to see if there were any Best Buy related offers on any of my credit cards,  found that Amex has one offer. "Get 1 membership reward point per dollar spent".     I try to route my monthly bills through my Amex card and I always pay it off before the end of the month so no interest ever accrues,  but I still get the reward points.   Amex lets you apply those points toward purchases you make,   so last month I got a free PMDG 737 out of my efforts.  😁   

A 4090 should give a nice stack of points to spend.

You should save those points and use them for travel, that reaps the best reward per money spent 

2 hours ago, Virtual-Chris said:

Any links to benchmarks of the 4090 running MSFS at 4K with top shelf CPU?

From Guru3D: 

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The pièce de résistance then ...we received a press build supporting DLSS3 and DLSS Frame generation of Microsoft Flight Simulator. The last time I tried this game I was hovering at 35~44 FPS in Ultra HD with an RTX 3090. The raw shader performance of the GeForce RTX 4090 pushes this to 64 FPS. But then the real magic; below we have also added a video have a peek. The results are outstanding.  We're flying around in Ultra HD at 125~150 FPS effortlessly, the scenery is stunning with ultra-quality settings. All resolutions show the same framerates, meaning there's a huge bottleneck somewhere. Still, you cannot complain; that's over 2x performance with the flick of a switch.

They did their testing with a Ryzen 9 5950X. They compared TAA vs DLSS3 in UHD (3840 x 2160) and the results are quite impressive:

In terms of power consumption, they mention ~425 Watts for the founders edition (average). They mention both this (especially in the light of high electricity costs) and the overall price as drawbacks. And there's also the size: it might require a case upgrade. Another thing to keep in mind is this: 

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First off, let me state all AIBs will deliver a power adapter cable, these however require 4x 8-pin power connectors headed from your PSU. Now, we tested this, but if for whatever miracle reason your PSU would only have 3x 8-pin headers, that'll work ... however, your TGP is then locked at defaults, ~425 Watts so you can't overclock.

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Connecting the fourth connector will offer maximum power from your product and opens up tweaking ability on the power limiter. Any (proper) 850W PSU with enough 8-pin headers will work fine if you don't do crazy things with TBP.  Most cards will offer you roughly 500 Watts on the power limiter max. I would not 3ant to go higher either for two reasons, the performance versus efficiency is really bad with such a high TGP. Secondly, the fuses of your PSU might not like it 😞 We however assume that if you purchase a 1599 USD graphics card you'll pair it with a proper power supply. 

In their conclusion they write this: 

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So for this graphics card to make any sense, you must play games in Ultra HD or at the very least start at a monitor resolution of 2560x1440.

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Take Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 combined with DLSS 3.0, you can fly at 100+ FPS in the highest resolutions now.

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Should you buy this product? Well, from a more economical point of view, you would be better off with a to-be-released GeForce RTX 4070 or 4080. This can even be considered a colossal waste of money, but it's also a colossal product for your ownership and gaming experience. One central question remains; is the 4090 an attractive enough card for the general public? You'll be able to find one in retail in the south of the $1700 range if you go for an AIB card. In the end, the product impresses big time and will satisfy you for the years to come, but at significant cost and energy consumption. 

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6 minutes ago, Cpt_Piett said:

From Guru3D: 

They did their testing with a Ryzen 9 5950X. They compared TAA vs DLSS3 in UHD (3840 x 2160) and the results are quite impressive:

In terms of power consumption, they mention ~425 Watts for the founders edition (average). They mention both this (especially in the light of high electricity costs) and the overall price as drawbacks. And there's also the size: it might require a case upgrade. Another thing to keep in mind is this: 

In their conclusion they write this: 

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The MSI Gaming X 4090 only has a 3x8 pins connector included instead of 4x8 pins connector.

Man,  Asus must have fell and bumped their head.   The STRIX is $200 more than the closest card,  and the closest card is watercooled while the strix is aircooled.   I usually buy Asus,  but they can take a long walk on a short pier.