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FS2020+ DLSS3 review

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1 hour ago, FAZZ3 said:

see this video from 29:38

I see nothing I asked for, 3rd person view of a simple default plane in clear weather over melted photogrammetry buildings. FPS numbers are impressive, but as said, without DLSS 3.0 they would still be totally fine at around 60 - 90 FPS. 

Greetings, Chris

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24 minutes ago, Chapstick said:

🤦‍♂️

Doubles frame rates without further involvement from the CPU according to Nvidia.

I wonder what other form of new technology it could be then.  Or it could just be frame interpolation under another name of course.  Not that Nvidia are prone to marketing hype. 🙂

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1 hour ago, bobcat999 said:

Are people really getting this excited about frame interpolation five years after my Samsung television had it?  :laugh:

I thought they just showed the same frame twice without any modification. 

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Wait a second, if a significant amount of DLSS 3's apparent fps enhancement is due to interpolation, then the actual simulation rate might not be any different than it was previously. In fact, it might even be less which is why the cpu load is so modest. If so, what has been gained with an investment of a couple of thousand bucks in one of these GPUs? MSFS isn't a shooting gallery game, it's a physics simulation.

Clearly, I'm missing something......

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15 minutes ago, jrw4 said:

MSFS isn't a shooting gallery game, it's a physics simulation.

Clearly, I'm missing something......

That is what I was talking about. Take a helo in a heavy scenario where you might get only about 20 FPS: thanks to DLSS 3.0, the FPS counter will tell you that the sim runs with 40 FPS, yet all control inputs and the physics calculation will still be based on 20 FPS only, with all negative aspects of it...

Greetings, Chris

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2 minutes ago, AnkH said:

That is what I was talking about. Take a helo in a heavy scenario where you might get only about 20 FPS: thanks to DLSS 3.0, the FPS counter will tell you that the sim runs with 40 FPS, yet all control inputs and the physics calculation will still be based on 20 FPS only, with all negative aspects of it...

Valid point, but from the videos I have seen it looks like the CPU load is also much lower. If we no longer are CPU bound we should be good. Or?

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6 hours ago, Cpt_Piett said:

With 146 fps I think I could handle blurry glass cockpits.

#meprobablytoo,  at least in non glass cockpits. but DLSS 3.0 seems as fuzzy as DLSS 2.0

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DLSS 3.0

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without DLSS 3.0

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and clearly we won't be seeing 140 fps with FSLTL. Ivaldo will have those results for us later this week. 😀

and children, don't try this RTX 4090 @ 1080p or you'll die of a heart attack:

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while unrealistic for the typical 4090 customer, this still shows a trend for CPU limited situations.

Edited by turbomax

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60-130 fps. no CPU overclocking.

very nice.

11 minutes ago, turbomax said:

#meprobablytoo,  at least in non glass cockpits. but DLSS 3.0 seems as fuzzy as DLSS 2.0

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DLSS 3.0

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without DLSS 3.0

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and clearly we won't be seeing 140 fps with FSLTL. Ivaldo will have those results for us later this week. 😀

Even without dlss3, it pushes the frames Beyond the 60fps barrier, which for me Is the magic number. 

5 hours ago, vodka69 said:

in the video above the cockpit doesn't appear blurry with DLSS 3

yes it does:

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Edited by turbomax

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60-130 fps. no CPU overclocking.

very nice.

4 hours ago, Cpt_Piett said:

I've got two PSU's (750+850)

850 watts minimum PSU rating for the founders edition, might be just enough because they allegedly have reduced the over-current spikes problem.

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AMD 7800X3D, Windows 11, Gigabyte X670 AORUS Elite AX Motherboard, 64GB DDR5 G.SKILL Trident Z5 NEO RGB (AMD Expo), RTX 4090,  Samsung 980 PRO M.2 NVMe SSD 2 TB PCIe 4.0, Samsung 980 PRO M.2 NVMe SSD 1 TB PCIe 4.0, 4K resolution 50" TV @60Hz, VR: Pimax Crystal Light + HP Reverb G2 @ 90 Hz, Honeycomb Bravo Throttle Quadrant, be quiet 1000W PSU, Noctua NH-U12S chromax.black air cooler.

60-130 fps. no CPU overclocking.

very nice.

3 hours ago, Ianrivaldosmith said:

Wow, 140fps?! now we can forget about FPS forever and just focus on the sim! Seems like the holy grail has been achieved after decades. I will be building a new 13900K system tomorrow with one of these bad boys. 

Looking forward to hearing how your experience goes with this,

Maybe you'll get a call from NASA asking if they can borrow your rig lol

 

Richard

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5 hours ago, pmb said:

I can sell my radiator to recover part of the cost.

won't be enough. here is a more recent price list:

"According to the widely used, although somewhat hard-to-find-credit-for figures, a heart is worth around $1 million in the US. Livers come in second, worth about $557,000 and kidneys cost about $262,000 each. Not to speak about human skin ($10/inch), stomach ($500), and eyeballs ($1,500 each). " 😀

https://medicalfuturist.com/how-much-is-life-worth/

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60-130 fps. no CPU overclocking.

very nice.

4 hours ago, Doering said:

And more cooling unless you want to heat the room where your computer is located!

Objection your honor, Hearsay!

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Edited by turbomax

AMD 7800X3D, Windows 11, Gigabyte X670 AORUS Elite AX Motherboard, 64GB DDR5 G.SKILL Trident Z5 NEO RGB (AMD Expo), RTX 4090,  Samsung 980 PRO M.2 NVMe SSD 2 TB PCIe 4.0, Samsung 980 PRO M.2 NVMe SSD 1 TB PCIe 4.0, 4K resolution 50" TV @60Hz, VR: Pimax Crystal Light + HP Reverb G2 @ 90 Hz, Honeycomb Bravo Throttle Quadrant, be quiet 1000W PSU, Noctua NH-U12S chromax.black air cooler.

60-130 fps. no CPU overclocking.

very nice.

Just now, turbomax said:

actually less:

 

 

I bet with a simple undervolt in place the power draw would drop nicely along with the temps

My 3090 rarely goes over 300W on mainly ultra settings

 

Richard

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4 hours ago, abrams_tank said:

XP 12 still perform more poorly than MSFS

Xanadu-12 can't make use of DLSS 3.0: missing motion vectors required for DLSS 3.0. but they support Linux and iOS.

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60-130 fps. no CPU overclocking.

very nice.

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