10 minutes ago, omarsmak30 said:

Is this thread now about XP12 vs MSFS or xE? Folks, why on every discussion we are bringing this topic up? Let's focus on the main topic please.

You can focus on the main topic if your friend stop with putting up marketing charts that doesn't tell the whole story to justify XEnviro move and not get challenge on it.

25 minutes ago, BobFS88 said:

When you post screenshots like that, it is to get quick attention which sensationalize your point, not the fine print at the bottom. That what people see and don't care about the the declamer below if it does not fit there biases. I just call out the false narrative that is use to the justify why xEnviro move into MSFS marketplace which we now know isn't the case. Again it does not tell the whole story of its user interest coming from an gaming website.

I literally post that comment right underneath the picture to clarify what the numbers in the picture mean.

48 minutes ago, BobFS88 said:

You can focus on the main topic if your friend stop with putting up marketing charts that doesn't tell the whole story to justify XEnviro move and not get challenge on it.

Well, maybe you XP folk shouldn't be so triggered and come in here to stir things up.  From time to time, we will talk about XP or P3D if the subject warrants it, like this thread. In this case, my post was about what is XEnviro's best options in the future and you can't discuss XEnviro's best options in the future if you don't include XP 12, because XEnviro is so tied to the XP platform.

There was nothing misleading in my post, and I even included a comment right below the picture to help people interpret the numbers below the picture, including saying, "assuming more XP users buy XP 12 from the LR website."

Finally, I would like to say that Janov, another avid XPer, loved to reference MSFS numbers on Steam. Here is Janov's post about MSFS's numbers on Steam in the XP forum:

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"Shrinking"

https://steamcharts.com/cmp/1250410#All

@BobFS88, where were you to criticize Janov when he was posting numbers from Steam for MSFS? Oh right, you weren't stopping Janov because those numbers on Steam made MSFS look bad.

Now that the numbers on Steam make XP 12 look bad, you come out and you are so vocal against the Steam numbers.  Give me a break.

Edited October 25, 20223 yr by abrams_tank

36 minutes ago, abrams_tank said:

, where were you to criticize Janov when he was posting numbers from Steam for MSFS? Oh right, you weren't stopping Janov because those numbers on Steam made MSFS look bad.

That was you job to do and if you failed to challenge him on it, that's your problem not mine.

I say all of what I wanted say and I am done with this, let move on and get the topic back where it needs to be. 

2 hours ago, jcomm said:

weather modelling

Yeah, you completely lost me there...

1 hour ago, abrams_tank said:

where were you to criticize Janov when he was posting numbers from Steam for MSFS

.....on a daily basis!😂 To prove his point that MSFS was a flash in the pan and doomed to fail, so terrible was it compared to XP11.😀 Mind you, he is missed by me at least.

2 hours ago, BobFS88 said:

o X-plane is not competing with Microsoft, remember, they said, they are diverging from Microsoft, pretty much going their own way and because of it, people have found new interest in a much different way than most of the folk you talk to and enjoying free from all the concerns that never seems to end around here, DLSS, performance, flight modeling, season, ATC, Services updates, other things that stays on the minds.   

What a load of bull hahahaha. Bro, that was beautiful 😆. Continue to enjoy your glorious XP12. I'll continue to enjoy the sim Magnus needs to bail himself out lol.

14 minutes ago, Krakin said:

What a load of bull hahahaha. Bro, that was beautiful 😆.

lol

Thats you spends a lot time over at org otherwise you would know. 

You have a nice day too Bro. 😅 

Guys and gals... let's accept that it's impossible to convert XP-addicts to MSFS just as it is impossible to convert MSFS-addicts to XP. People all see things differently: let's accept that. On another forum someone posted comparison shots of MSFS and XP12, showing the exact same location, and while the difference was absolutely staggering and mindblowing the guy who was hyped about one sim kept on saying the difference was negligible. (I am not mentioning the name of the sims here on purpose. 😉 ) The fact that this guy wouldn't acknowledge there was a staggering and mindblowing difference was even more staggering and mindblowing than the comparison screenshots themselves. Somehow some people only see what they want to see and I have no clue why. But it is what it is. Let's accept that and move on. Enjoy the sim you prefer. Happy flying!

2 hours ago, BobFS88 said:

 

No X-plane is not competing with Microsoft, remember, they said, they are diverging from Microsoft, pretty much going their own way and because of it, people have found new interest in a much different way than most of the folk you talk to and enjoying free from all the concerns that never seems to end around here, DLSS, performance, flight modeling, season, ATC, Services updates, other things that stays on the minds.   

 

They do. Before MSFS was release Austin explicitly said  they aware of MSFS progress and they are not sitting but have something to respond.

X-plane marking hype is "realistic" ready to go to be FAA certified  sim which is not true and just marketing. But in reality just like other sim XP suffer from shortcomings an d deficiencies. 

12 minutes ago, tup61 said:

Somehow some people only see what they want to see and I have no clue why.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. 

In XP11 with XEnviro I got a better frame rate when running through my old family slides with our projector.

15 minutes ago, sd_flyer said:

They do. Before MSFS was release Austin explicitly said  they aware of MSFS progress and they are not sitting but have something to respond.

X-plane marking hype is "realistic" ready to go to be FAA certified  sim which is not true and just marketing. But in reality just like other sim XP suffer from shortcomings an d deficiencies. 

Yeah they did respond by stating that where not competing with there graphic but is going in a different direct and diverging from what Microsoft is doing is exactly that. It still will have to see how its going to work out for them but so far people liking what they are doing, so far.   

As far X-plane ready to go to be FAA certified, all you need to going to the website and look at X Plane Pro right here and it explain it to you.

https://www.x-plane.com/pro/certified/

 

10 minutes ago, BobFS88 said:

Yeah they did respond by stating that where not competing with there graphic but is going in a different direct and diverging from what Microsoft is doing is exactly that.

Ah, but graphics are exactly what XP12 is all about. What's the point of the better clouds and lighting if that's not the case? (Oh, and the much heralded trees etc.) There is no point to XP12 unless you want better visuals.

Edited October 25, 20223 yr by jarmstro

7 minutes ago, BobFS88 said:

As far X-plane ready to go to be FAA certified, all you need to going to the website and look at X Plane Pro right here and it explain it to you.

https://www.x-plane.com/pro/certified/

 

Like purchasing a Porsche 911 and expecting to track it.