1 minute ago, jarmstro said:

And at every attempt performance will get worse and worse and worse.

Where have you been???

That's a fact of life as fidelity continually improves. RTX4090s for all!

Gentlemen, start your engines!

2 minutes ago, blingthinger said:

Where have you been???

That's a fact of life as fidelity continually improves. RTX4090s for all!

I have an RTX2070 which, runs FS2020 amazingly well so I see no reason to spend my next years holiday on an RTX4090 just to see XP12 still looking like a ten year old sim. Sorry,

 

5 hours ago, blingthinger said:

I'll gladly take XP12's sometimes wonky shapes in the beta version over Asobo's frequently absurdly dark and grey cloud blobs (think volcanic eruptions and nuclear fallout) any day.

The appearance of clouds in reality has a huge variation. The dark clouds are actually realistic, if the weather that should be modelled has dark clouds. So looking "any day" as you are saying at light grey clouds simply means that XP12 is not capable to depict the variation that exists in reality. At some days at least, a realistic weather engine should be rendering dark clouds.

5 hours ago, abrams_tank said:

XP 12 clouds are very bad. They are blurry, and the cloud shapes are sometimes very weird.

Agreed. The single type of clouds, which is rendered is so undefined, that it can be considered to depict any type of clouds.

4 hours ago, BobFS88 said:

Those are not representative of the entire X Plane market who many do not venture on Steam to use X plane.

Also only a small portion of MSFS users are using steam. About 1/4 according to my sales stats (I can recognize them as marketplace purchases by steam users of my addons generate less revenue for the me as dev).

Edited October 24, 20223 yr by mrueedi

1 hour ago, BobFS88 said:

And how would you know that since you are not part of that community. A significant number of user don't use steam and prefer to get it directly from LR which is why you see an larger presence. How I know because I am part of that community. You can make up what ever want doesn't make so.

I'm a member of Xplane.org, I follow them on twitter and I am a member on their fb page. I have eyes on the same discussions you do and I am telling you, the main thing people were begging for was Steam support. You need to look up what samples are and how they're used.

16 minutes ago, mrueedi said:

At some days at least, a realistic weather engine should be rendering dark clouds.

So in the context of this thread, is Xenviro replacing the cloud volumes entirely? Or is it merely setting cloud/visibility layers as a user would have to do in the manual entry window and letting the default internal engine do the drawing? Is full replacement even an option?

Interesting. Gone for a few hours and read the comments. This is sad. Not the comments. A lot of you bring up some great points.

I think Xenviro and their developers are a good example of what happens when you're rude to customers and break promises. Oh, and charging 70 for a product that doesn't deliver in the first place.

Other Developers Take Note: When you treat your customers like trash, release and forget products or prematurely close forums threads then don't be surprised you lose money. It's simple. You deliver, we pay. You don't deliver, release/forget or are rude to customers then you lose us.

There is a long list of shady customer service in such a niche hobby. There is also a lot of good.

14 minutes ago, Krakin said:

I have eyes on the same discussions you do and I am telling you, the main thing people were begging for was Steam support.

Most of what you see from user s begging for steam support are gamers or user who frequency social media's fb, twitter and reddit who are not familiar with the in's of out of X plane, ecco system who would mostly the one's buying from steam.  Most of the users base are on Xplane.org and Xpilot.com with a few on Threshold, avsim and Flightsim.com. I don't know what you have been reading  on the org or even been over there for that matter but the vast majority of user get X Plane directly from LR while others buying from Aerosoft, cd version. So you're not going to see those numbers.

When XP12 went live it with release from LR first and user experience trna transactional and  download issue due to initial huge system demands   

21 hours ago, Alvega said:

The Q8Pilot stream as been completely useless until now as an xEnviro review. So I changed to the Virtavia stream (russian stream) and that is showing comparisons in various airports between xEnviro and MSFS Live Weather (and I don't understand russian but there is no need to). From what I've seen, MSLS Live Weather is MUCH better than xEnviro. Last airport he showed had visibility 9999 and broken clouds on METAR, which was spot on with MSFS weather and with xENviro was visibility around 1/2 mile with overcast. Completely wrong. And lots of other airports he has been showing the same thing happens. On top of that, the cloud transitions are awful, just like a slideshow as someone said before.

Looks like the xEnviro guys have a LONG way to go to even be able to be compared with MSFS live weather. For now, it is completely word not allowed.

I watched the stream of Q8 and the weather at departure from LSZH and right after the start to the east was completely inacurate. There was a thick layer of overcast/broken clouds above the airport at middle/high altitude and it was raining in vicinity. xE depicted it as blue sky with some bery small cumulus clouds, only because the metar reported CAVOK at that time. 30 minutes later it was raining everywhere around. It looks like it is only depicting weather based on metars…a huge step back compared to MSFS default. Someone reported this to Magnus on discord. And his answer was: „i won‘t be looking into that because it has to be reproduced“. He literally don‘t care at all. He also stated that they developped this tool for MSFS in only one month and that he needs urgently cash.

It‘s not difficult to see how arrogant they are. I purchased it for XP11 and i was extremely disappointed. They needed years to improve it and it still was looking very bad and completely killed the framerates.

I cannot recommand it at all, not only the tool itself but also because of the arrogance of Magnus. I mean just compare it with great developpers like Fenix and how they care for every detail and admit their faults and spend a lot of time to fix them…you will be reduced to a cash-cow.

13 minutes ago, Franz007 said:

It looks like it is only depicting weather based on metars

It's not even depicting the metar weather correctly, most that I watched (both on his stream and on Virtavia's stream) were completely off.

Edited October 24, 20223 yr by Alvega

38 minutes ago, Sonosusto said:

Other Developers Take Note: When you treat your customers like trash, release and forget products or prematurely close forums threads then don't be surprised you lose money. It's simple. You deliver, we pay. You don't deliver, release/forget or are rude to customers then you lose us.

Indeed, given the huge backlash that xE is facing now, tells you how Magnus has burned all the bridges with his customers and now he is asking for "urgent cash". Like how arrogance this can be, he thinks we are just "cows" to be milked. 

P/S: Aerosoft aka Mr. Kok take note of this backlash.

17 minutes ago, Franz007 said:

I watched the stream of Q8 and the weather at departure from LSZH and right after the start to the east was completely inacurate. There was a thick layer of overcast/broken clouds above the airport at middle/high altitude and it was raining in vicinity. xE depicted it as blue sky with some bery small cumulus clouds, only because the metar reported CAVOK at that time. 30 minutes later it was raining everywhere around. It looks like it is only depicting weather based on metars…a huge step back compared to MSFS default. Someone reported this to Magnus on discord. And his answer was: „i won‘t be looking into that because it has to be reproduced“. He literally don‘t care at all. He also stated that they developped this tool for MSFS in only one month and that he needs urgently cash.

It‘s not difficult to see how arrogant they are. I purchased it for XP11 and i was extremely disappointed. They needed years to improve it and it still was looking very bad and completely killed the framerates.

I cannot recommand it at all, not only the tool itself but also because of the arrogance of Magnus. I mean just compare it with great developpers like Fenix and how they care for every detail and admit their faults and spend a lot of time to fix them…you will be reduced to a cash-cow.

There is a list of developers that really don't deserve money or recognition from their behavior.

But as I've mentioned, there are a ton of really good developers that deserve recognition for their hard work, good prices, updates and actual customer service.

2 minutes ago, omarsmak30 said:

Indeed, given the huge backlash that xE is facing now, tells you how Magnus has burned all the bridges with his customers and now he is asking for "urgent cash". Like how arrogance this can be, he thinks we are just "cows" to be milked. 

P/S: Aerosoft aka Mr. Kok take note of this backlash.

Yeah, there's that too.

I think MSFS default is good for what it is despite being wrong at times but then again...all of them have issues. FSGRW I thought was the best of the bees knees but like all of the 3rd party weather injectors, it had some faults. Still, having this UltraWeather XP and some representation of 3d clouds was pretty cool. 

44 minutes ago, Sonosusto said:

There is a long list of shady customer service in such a niche hobby.

True, but I bet the list of shady customers is probably even longer.

I've been contacted a couple of times via direct message offering to trade aircraft (Carenado, iirc).

Eye for an eye, unfortunately.

8 minutes ago, blingthinger said:

True, but I bet the list of shady customers is probably even longer.

People don't remember 'shady customers', Whatever that may be. They remember poor customer service.