@penta_a Since yours was the third topic posted about this, I merged it to the existing first topic.

1 hour ago, cmpbellsjc said:

@penta_a Since yours was the third topic posted about this, I merged it to the existing first topic.

my bad boss!

On 11/13/2022 at 4:44 AM, bobcat999 said:

I agree.  It is more generous that a lot of people will ever appreciate unfortunately.  I have heard people complaining about the inclusion of the Hughes H-4 spruce goose as if they paid for it, and that the helicopters are 'poorly implemented'.

Indeed, and the two helicopters are anything but poorly implemented, especially the G2 which is a showcase of all the new physics/aerodynamics.. I wish however MS/Asobo by default would *disable* all assistances for all aircraft, which would lead to less folks complaining about poor implementation without knowing they're flying with various assistance/helper settings enabled.
 

@lwt1971 and @bobcat999 Yes, a lot of aviation experts out there who seem to want Flight Simulator carved out to their “personal” specifications. Entitlement is word used by another member on this forum. It is a strong term but unfortunately true when you read certain threads. It is almost like they are being forced to load up a newly released free aircraft they have no desire to fly.

15 minutes ago, Doering said:

@lwt1971 and @bobcat999 Yes, a lot of aviation experts out there who seem to want Flight Simulator carved out to their “personal” specifications. Entitlement is word used by another member on this forum. It is a strong term but unfortunately true when you read certain threads. It is almost like they are being forced to load up a newly released free aircraft they have no desire to fly.

Yes, some definitely come across as overly-demanding and ungrateful.  It's a pity.  I believe the (mainly) silent but grateful are the vast majority of simmers though.

Thanks to the link to the video by the way Laurie.  I will watch that on the TV as I wind-down tonight.   The modded DC-3 and Beaver are calling me for a test flight first!  

One can play these old versions from outside the sim as well: https://s-macke.github.io/FSHistory/

And even Flight Simulator 5.0: https://archive.org/details/FLTSIM

 

1 hour ago, Tim-HH said:

One can play these old versions from outside the sim as well: https://s-macke.github.io/FSHistory/

And even Flight Simulator 5.0: https://archive.org/details/FLTSIM

if you are going to use the archive.org emulator, don't forget to use this shortcuts:

CTRL+SHIFT+F12 - increase the cycles (more frames)

CTRL+SHIFT+F11 - reduce the cycles (less frames)

Increase the cycles until the sound start to stutter. Then you will enjoy the experience like 35 years ago in a 286/386 😉

17 hours ago, lwt1971 said:

Indeed, and the two helicopters are anything but poorly implemented, especially the G2 which is a showcase of all the new physics/aerodynamics.. I wish however MS/Asobo by default would *disable* all assistances for all aircraft, which would lead to less folks complaining about poor implementation without knowing they're flying with various assistance/helper settings enabled.
 

You can easily "disable" all assistances.  Just set everything to Hard. Don't suggest that Asobo change it.

Meanwhile I and others just want to fly around in this sim for pure enjoyment.  To me the helicopters for now are unflyable because of the steep learning curve.. In your quest to make everything just like the real world, you're forgetting that 80% on the simmers are just in it for the entertainment, and this is the market group that are paying for all this.  I still haven't had a successful Fenix flight because it's more like the real plane.  If I could not disable the crash feature, I may as well not even try to fly the helicopters.

Roy

Kai Tak  Easter Egg🥚

 

On 11/13/2022 at 11:27 PM, FBW737 said:

Back in 1982 FS1 had an easter egg that allowed you to fly MSFS 2020

 

On 11/14/2022 at 1:09 AM, Piotr007 said:

Haha that would be a mere slideshow.

 

🤣🤣🤣 plus the easter egg would be the most played part of the sim😂😂😂

Hmmmm - as a pure thought experiment - how long would it take for a single frame of MSFS to render on an original IBM PC?

The Intel 8088 processor could do 0.71 MFLOPS and was 16 bit with an 8 bit bus and a max of 1 MB of RAM.

The Xbox Series X can do 12.1 TFLOPS - about 17 million times more operations per second.

Lets say the Xbox does 60 frames per second. 1/60 x 17M / 60 sec / 60 mins = 78.7 hours. 

So a single frame every three days or so. 

However, with only 1MB of RAM, which is 00.0125% of the minimum specs for MSFS, it would need to cache 99.99% of data to several 360KB floppies (no HD available until the PC AT a few years later), so you'd need to manually swap out a series of over 22,000 floppy disks to render each and every frame.

We've definitely come a long way!

 

 

2 minutes ago, enright said:

We've definitely come a long way!

Considering I can remember all that clearly, it is actually scary how far we have come.

1 hour ago, enright said:

 

Hmmmm - as a pure thought experiment - how long would it take for a single frame of MSFS to render on an original IBM PC?

The Intel 8088 processor could do 0.71 MFLOPS and was 16 bit with an 8 bit bus and a max of 1 MB of RAM.

The Xbox Series X can do 12.1 TFLOPS - about 17 million times more operations per second.

Lets say the Xbox does 60 frames per second. 1/60 x 17M / 60 sec / 60 mins = 78.7 hours. 

So a single frame every three days or so. 

However, with only 1MB of RAM, which is 00.0125% of the minimum specs for MSFS, it would need to cache 99.99% of data to several 360KB floppies (no HD available until the PC AT a few years later), so you'd need to manually swap out a series of over 22,000 floppy disks to render each and every frame.

We've definitely come a long way!

 

 

All things considered If MSFS was released on the same day as FS1 we'd probably be getting the first frame around now. Microsoft would say the hardware to run this puppy hasn't been invented yet.😁

30 minutes ago, FBW737 said:

All things considered If MSFS was released on the same day as FS1 we'd probably be getting the first frame around now. Microsoft would say the hardware to run this puppy hasn't been invented yet.😁

And they would say they have a 10-year plan.  

@enright What an incredible “thought experiment”. And for whatever reason the past always reminds me of the orange monochrome monitors that looked so cool and that single 3.5” floppy firing up FS5.1 from MS DOS. We thought flying looked so cool and realistic! Now we complain about a spiked ground texture.

When I started in Flight Sims in 1982 I always dreamed of what I would like it to be.  And as I said in a previous post, the future is now.  We have all those things I wished for.

Now think of it as most of us did back then.  What will we see in another 10, 20 or 40 years.  We can't even dream of it.

Roy