Cannot wait to get my hands on this. This will be all about detail. i even recently purchased V5 for the Max, so im set to go

3 hours ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

The management of fuel isn't too bad. Setup for take-off and then leave it alone until Mach 0.7 when it needs pumping to tank 11. Just a couple of switches to set.

At the accel point resume rear pumping. Once tanks 9 and 10 are empty turn on the two wing tip tanks - 5a and 7a.

CoG should now be at 59%. You can always watch how the VFE handles fuel and even try it yourself and then turn him back on if things don't work out. Eventually it will stick and you'll enjoy the extra workload.

Hi Ray, I know you don't know me and I don't mean to side track the thread, but I had a quick question for you.  You seem really interested in the Concorde, have you ever been on one? (flight or museum).  I ask because I live near the Seattle Flight Museum and they have one that you can go into but I must admit I have not visited that particular display.

6 minutes ago, Mike S KPDX said:

Hi Ray, I know you don't know me and I don't mean to side track the thread, but I had a quick question for you.  You seem really interested in the Concorde, have you ever been on one? (flight or museum).  I ask because I live near the Seattle Flight Museum and they have one that you can go into but I must admit I have not visited that particular display.

You should definitely go. The plane is really elegant and the cockpit is breathtaking. I was on the Concorde, and the Tupolev, in the technical museum Sinsheim (Germany). The Concorde is a clear winner 🙂

34 minutes ago, Mike S KPDX said:

Hi Ray, I know you don't know me and I don't mean to side track the thread, but I had a quick question for you.  You seem really interested in the Concorde, have you ever been on one? (flight or museum).  I ask because I live near the Seattle Flight Museum and they have one that you can go into but I must admit I have not visited that particular display.

Hi Mike. I’ve loved the aircraft for as long as I can remember. Sadly, I couldn’t afford a flight on one, not even the 500GBP subsonic chartered flights back in the 90s. I regret not borrowing the money to pay for it.

But I have sat in the left-hand seat in the Concorde simulator at Brooklands Museum, just south of Heathrow. The only one in the world. Formerly used by BA for training it was donated to Brooklands after ops ceased in 2003. It was part of a package the public can buy and the top one includes lunch with two former Concorde pilots who then occupy the right hand seat in the simulator. Me and Pete Dowson (FSUIPC man) did that in 2016.

With their help on throttles I flew through Tower Bridge, London before landing back at LHR. That was a lot of fun. There were only four of us that day and an Emirates 777 pilot took advantage of being in London to fly the approach into Kai Tak, Hong Kong - a very challenging landing.

I’ve been around 100 yards from it when it departed Manchester in 2000. The noise was awesome. My chest cavity vibrated! 🤪

You would enjoy taking a tour around Concorde. The first thing people remark on is how small the passenger cabin is and that also applies to the flight deck. The FE panel is an engineering masterpiece. You have AG at Seattle. For its history this is a great site.

Seattle is only one of 7 cities to have a BA Concorde. The flagship - G-BOAC - is here at Manchester Airport. Under a custom built hangar to keep her in good nick. I photographed AG on 22 October 2003 when it visited Manchester as part of the final U.K. tour. 10,000 people in the Viewing Park. This is the last photo I took. Reheats still on. A sad day.

 

 

I have walked underneath G-BOAC at Manchester, and I have been inside G-BOAA at East Fortune museum near Edinburgh. I was close to one that did a touch and go at the Farnborough Air Show in 1978, and (like Ray) I felt my insides vibrating when full throttle was applied. I was eleven years old at the time.

Edited December 24, 20223 yr by Christopher Low

If they fit the FMS (or some trick to the INS) that she deserves and was planned to add she till the cease of her operations, I will buy it, I am bored of INS.

24 minutes ago, peloto said:

If they fit the FMS (or some trick to the INS) that she deserves and was planned to add she till the cease of her operations, I will buy it, I am bored of INS.

The DC Designs Concorde may be more suitable for you. It uses GPS I believe.

30 minutes ago, peloto said:

I am bored of INS.

I guess I have an inquisitive mind. I find it fascinating to be able to get an insight into an ingenious system that took inter-continental flights past using bubble sextants long before GPS was even thought of. I guess that's just me 🤷‍♂️. Each to their own.

Edited December 24, 20223 yr by DavidP

@Ray Proudfoot That pic is outstanding and full of emotion! Did the DC Designs model live up to expectations for an introductory entry in MSFS2020? The FSL version is a long way out from the looks of things, but will be more systems realistic?

9 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

The DC Designs Concorde may be more suitable for you. It uses GPS I believe.

Oh, thanks, no, I want a deep in system/study level though not INS, with a study level FMC or and INS tricked capable of SID, STARS AND APPROACHES “needed” to nowadays IFR flights online or not.

34 minutes ago, Doering said:

@Ray Proudfoot That pic is outstanding and full of emotion! Did the DC Designs model live up to expectations for an introductory entry in MSFS2020? The FSL version is a long way out from the looks of things, but will be more systems realistic?

It was a memorable day and that photo - taken with a SLR film Olympus OM2 - captured the moment perfectly for me. Glad you like it. Scanned from a negative so not the cleanest image.

I haven’t bought MSFS so can’t comment on the DCD version. But they readily accept it is a simplified version especially regarding navigation (GPS, not INS) and a rudimentary fuel management system. But it represents excellent value for money.

The FSL P3D version is due Q1 2023. I have no idea when the MSFS version will arrive, sorry.

26 minutes ago, peloto said:

Oh, thanks, no, I want a deep in system/study level though not INS, with a study level FMC or and INS tricked capable of SID, STARS AND APPROACHES “needed” to nowadays IFR flights online or not.

You want a study level Concorde minus the navigation system designed for it? Come on, that’s not going to happen. This is an aircraft designed in the 60s and operational from 1976-2003. The 3 INS computers are highly accurate.

Concorde had a unique descent profile so using conventional STARs didn’t apply. It stayed as high and fast for as long as possible until it was time to descend. Then it went down very quickly and rates of up to 8,000fpm were common. Forget your standard Boeing / Airbus procedures. You’re in a different league with this aircraft.

 

@Ray Proudfoot remember my commentary “the FMS was planned to add she, till the cease of her operations", I want LNAV, not VNAV. I want time to watch out of the window, not only programming a flight in the INS, my copilot is in holidays. Though the INS are well if I want to fly with them again, was fun to learn.

2 minutes ago, peloto said:

@Ray Proudfoot remember my commentary “the FMS was planned to add she, till the cease of her operations", I want LNAV, not VNAV. I want time to watch out of the window, not only programming a flight in the INS, my copilot is in holidays. Though the INS are well if I want to fly with them again, was fun to learn.

 

If you want only lateral navigation - LNAV - then that is precisely what you get with Concorde. A series of lat/lon waypoints (max 9) are fed into the Captain’s INS which are then fed automatically into the other two. Vertical navigation is controlled by the various modes on the AFCS.

You can have PITCH HOLD, Vertical Speed or MAX CLB / MAX CRS.

The last one is unique to Concorde and controls the pitch to maintain VMo up to Mach 2. Thereafter it switches to MAX CRS (Max Cruise) which will maintain Mach 2 even if it requires a shallow descent. Remember Mach 2 was achieved around FL500 and there’s nothing else up there so varying the altitude was fine.

As for wanting time to look out the windows you’ve picked the wrong aircraft. Too much going on for that especially up to FL100. Thereafter you have a short window until you reach the accel point - FL280 / Mach 0.95.

@Ray Proudfoot thank you for the thoughtful reply.  I will make sure I visit it (and the spruce goose which also is just as close).  Time to look around for a good book on the Concorde.

Edited December 25, 20223 yr by Ray Proudfoot
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1 hour ago, Mike S KPDX said:

thank you for the thoughtful reply.  I will make sure I visit it (and the spruce goose which also is just as close).  Time to look around for a good book on the Concorde.

Enjoy. I saw the Concorde at Dulles a long time ago — not in flight. And now there is one (AF) at the Udvar-Hazy Annex of the Air and Space Museum, which is next to Dulles. They are stunning planes. Of course, there is an SR-71 and Space Shuttle too, so . . . .