1 hour ago, David Mills said:

I would be very interested to learn whether anyone reading this message has ever successfully installed Windows on a Mac or successfully launched FSX (or MSFS) on a Mac with Bootcamp?

Twice on two different MacBook Pros I used Bootcamp to install Windows and all was fine--for my purposes.  Never used it as a gaming platform just everything else.  I recently removed the Win 10 partition and eliminated Bootcamp as I need the drive space.

On 1/11/2023 at 10:00 AM, Noel said:

Thanks Bob I have stuck with the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" model for this one.  I didn't make it to the end and was struck by the better CPU, the 4090, and the fact with that workstation he's using DLSS and the initial frame rate comparison was a nothing burger.  Does it get any better?  I truly have perfect performance now, everywhere, so no way I would change to Win 11 and jeopardize that.

I've always loved this "if it ain't broke" saying and philosophy.  The buggy and horse weren't broken either. Earlier flight sims "weren't broken" either.  Graphic card drivers aren't broken either.

I've always love Bill Gates' philosophy:  "If it ain't broke, BREAK IT!"  That has always been the philosophy for true progress, hasn't it?  Windows 11 is superby better than Windows 10 IMHO.

Stan

48 minutes ago, spilok said:

I've always loved this "if it ain't broke" saying and philosophy

It was a rhetorical statement:  Win 10 works perfectly for my grand total of TWO uses for Windows:  MSFS & 2 "games".  It's taken a great deal of effort to achieve maximum fluid, stutter-free performance from gate to gate anywhere in the PMDG 738, FBW A320NX and AS CRJ.  It's so good I have no desire to move to 4090 at this point in time.  Has nothing to do with "progress" it has to do with achieving perfection and not wanting to bother jeopardizing that with any substantial change such as a major OS update.

1 hour ago, spilok said:

Windows 11 is superby better than Windows 10 IMHO.

Stan

In what way(s) exactly is it superbly better? I have been following the Win 10/Win 11 debate for months now, and I have yet to see any good reason to upgrade before the fall of 2025, at which point I will have no choice. None of the advertised "improvements" of Win11 interest me. The reported 1% increase in MSFS frame rates, even if true, is insignificant. Bottom line: the strenuous effort to convince us that we need Win11 is unconvincing. If Win 11 represented a truly major advance, it would be obvious -- and it isn't.

 

Edited February 5, 20233 yr by cobalt

I just purchased another batch of HP laptops for work (12th gen i5/i7, 16Mb , NVME etc) and they all came in as Win10 downgrades.  The organisation we are a part of (with 30,0000 users) does not support Win11 yet. 

3 hours ago, spilok said:

  Windows 11 is superby better than Windows 10 IMHO.

Stan

Tell us how it it so much better?Be specific.

3 hours ago, Bobsk8 said:

Tell us how it it so much better?Be specific.

Whether someone prefers one operating system or another is a matter for them and the constant
"my choice is better than your choice", directly encouraged by this topic, is straight from the school playground.
If you like the operating system that you use, just use it.

1 hour ago, Reader said:

Whether someone prefers one operating system or another is a matter for them and the constant
"my choice is better than your choice", directly encouraged by this topic, is straight from the school playground.
If you like the operating system that you use, just use it.

Exactly, its something lost on a few of the prolific posters here who seem to think their setup and methodology is the best...perfect even

13 hours ago, Bobsk8 said:

Tell us how it it so much better?Be specific.

Windows 11 has seamlessly performed very well for me. I NEVER seem to have any issues with my flight sims, internet navigation, or settings.  Again, this is my experience...it may not be yours. I accept it as a natural improvement in ways that I may not even be aware of.  If I were an I.T. professional, I may be able to give you more specifics.

I've always believed that pretty much EVERY problem or concern relating to performance discussed on this forum or any other forum depends wholly on your individual computer and how its constructed, configured, and built. Period! No 2 computers will have the same experience with software and how it interacts with YOUR computer.  I happen to have a Jetline System (my 3rd), and I just couldn't be happier with how it handles all types of software, and how it performs especially in P3d, MSFS, or any other program.  So, it may be futile to take sides on how Windows 11 is better than Windows 10 because it may depend on your individual computer's hardware and the quality of its build. 

I'm certainly no expert on this and that's why I end with IMHO.

3 hours ago, spilok said:

Windows 11 has seamlessly performed very well for me. I NEVER seem to have any issues with my flight sims, internet navigation, or settings.  Again, this is my experience...it may not be yours. I accept it as a natural improvement in ways that I may not even be aware of.  If I were an I.T. professional, I may be able to give you more specifics.

I've always believed that pretty much EVERY problem or concern relating to performance discussed on this forum or any other forum depends wholly on your individual computer and how its constructed, configured, and built. Period! No 2 computers will have the same experience with software and how it interacts with YOUR computer.  I happen to have a Jetline System (my 3rd), and I just couldn't be happier with how it handles all types of software, and how it performs especially in P3d, MSFS, or any other program.  So, it may be futile to take sides on how Windows 11 is better than Windows 10 because it may depend on your individual computer's hardware and the quality of its build. 

I'm certainly no expert on this and that's why I end with IMHO.

Thanks, this makes sense. But earlier you said that Win11 is "superbly better" than Win10, which is a very different message.

I'm currently regretting upgrading to Windows 11.

My PC has been working perfectly fine - it's just over a year old, 5 months since I upgraded it with a 3090 and a much better PSU.
Not a single crash, hiccup, etc. I use it for work (CGI and gamedev) and flight simming, fairly intensive stuff and it's been great.

On a complete whim, partly from being nagged to upgrade constantly, I decided to just do it. How bad can it be?

From pretty much the day I installed it I started having these complete deadlocks - where the entire screen freezes, no inputs, sound stops, etc. I have to shut the whole thing down.
Weirdly, it's fine under load - it's never done it while in sim or doing work, only happens when the machine is idling and in desktop.

Tried resetting bios, doing memory and disk tests, I've physically checked all the connections, updated drivers, etc - can't seem to fix it.
And annoyingly I deleted the previous install, so can't even easily go back - that one is totally my fault.

The day before I installed it I even talked myself out of it with "don't fix what's not broken", and then the next day just went ahead and did it. Serves me right I guess.

20 minutes ago, Georgleboui said:

I'm currently regretting upgrading to Windows 11.

My PC has been working perfectly fine - it's just over a year old, 5 months since I upgraded it with a 3090 and a much better PSU.
Not a single crash, hiccup, etc. I use it for work (CGI and gamedev) and flight simming, fairly intensive stuff and it's been great.

On a complete whim, partly from being nagged to upgrade constantly, I decided to just do it. How bad can it be?

From pretty much the day I installed it I started having these complete deadlocks - where the entire screen freezes, no inputs, sound stops, etc. I have to shut the whole thing down.
Weirdly, it's fine under load - it's never done it while in sim or doing work, only happens when the machine is idling and in desktop.

Tried resetting bios, doing memory and disk tests, I've physically checked all the connections, updated drivers, etc - can't seem to fix it.
And annoyingly I deleted the previous install, so can't even easily go back - that one is totally my fault.

The day before I installed it I even talked myself out of it with "don't fix what's not broken", and then the next day just went ahead and did it. Serves me right I guess.

I never fix things that aren't broken. 😉

I use Win-10 and will switch to Win-11 next time I upgrade my motherboard, and then I will do it from scratch, installing an upgrade is like asking for trouble, i only use my pc for gaming and use a Mac for everything else so i'm in no rush.

Edited February 5, 20233 yr by Ixoye

1 hour ago, Georgleboui said:

I'm currently regretting upgrading to Windows 11.

My PC has been working perfectly fine - it's just over a year old, 5 months since I upgraded it with a 3090 and a much better PSU.
Not a single crash, hiccup, etc. I use it for work (CGI and gamedev) and flight simming, fairly intensive stuff and it's been great.

On a complete whim, partly from being nagged to upgrade constantly, I decided to just do it. How bad can it be?

From pretty much the day I installed it I started having these complete deadlocks - where the entire screen freezes, no inputs, sound stops, etc. I have to shut the whole thing down.
Weirdly, it's fine under load - it's never done it while in sim or doing work, only happens when the machine is idling and in desktop.

Tried resetting bios, doing memory and disk tests, I've physically checked all the connections, updated drivers, etc - can't seem to fix it.
And annoyingly I deleted the previous install, so can't even easily go back - that one is totally my fault.

The day before I installed it I even talked myself out of it with "don't fix what's not broken", and then the next day just went ahead and did it. Serves me right I guess.

To my point...WHY does this happen to Georgleboui, and NOT to me or others?  Again, our computers are individualized to us because of so many things such as the specific hardware inside and the the way we may change settings for other programs, thusly affecting our flight simulator.

There is no rationale for recommending Windows 11 or staying with Windows 10, because for so many of us, Windows 11 has never had a hiccup of any serious nature. Scaring users with "if it ain't broke..." may not be the best advice.

Go figure!

Edited February 5, 20233 yr by spilok

My main concern with upgrading the OS now and in the past has always been drivers - all types.

An example is I would need to purchase and install a TPM module and update the bios on my motherboard.  This comes with the distinct possibilty of bricking my system.

While it was fun to be on the bleeding edge in the past because I luved the challanges.  Now I 'm in a comfort zone with MSFS , WIN 10  and my cuurent build.  

Much older also so hassle avoidance has taken over.  No rush for WIN 11 but it will come in time.

sp

Edited February 5, 20233 yr by Sky_Pilot071