It sounds more like a sensible statement to me. Commitments only go so far. If doing the opposite means that the company ultimately ceases to exist, then doing it would be pretty stupid.

40 minutes ago, ErichB said:

This is really not a relevant discussion if it's about P3D5.    Although I understand that frustration, I also understand that they need to allocate resource to where the revenue and demand is - and that is no longer P3D.  Things do change and business must adapt.  A 'commitment' is only valid as long as the business environment allows it to be a valid commitment.

Indeed, quite strange approach - hope that such way of doing business is not common

30 minutes ago, Claudius_ said:

immoral

'Immoral' ?

4 minutes ago, ErichB said:

'Immoral' ?

Sorry, the right word is "IMMORTAL", I like so much to buy unfinished and unsupported products.

3 minutes ago, Claudius_ said:

Sorry, the right word is "IMMORTAL", I like so much to buy unfinished and unsupported products.

As much as I understand the basis of the argument, there is much larger majority of people at the current time that would be even more upset if time/resource was allocated to the P3D platform by PMDG to 'fix' unoptimal aspects of the simulation.    The world moves on.

1 hour ago, ErichB said:

This is really not a relevant discussion if it's about P3D5.    Although I understand that frustration, I also understand that they need to allocate resource to where the revenue and demand is - and that is no longer P3D.  Things do change and business must adapt.  A 'commitment' is only valid as long as the business environment allows it to be a valid commitment.

Unfortunately you have not understood that the focus is not on P3D, but on the unethical way of how Mr. Randazzo conducts his business.
We'll see when you ask for changes for your 777 MSFS version and he will promise...promise....promise, if you have the same opinion.
Good luck

2 minutes ago, zabren said:

Unfortunately you have not understood that the focus is not on P3D, but on the unethical way of how Mr. Randazzo conducts his business.
We'll see when you ask for changes for your 777 MSFS version and he will promise...promise....promise, if you have the same opinion.
Good luck

Then don't purchase products on the basis of a promise for it to be fixed or updated. This goes for P3D and MSFS customers alike, PMDG has proven to have a spotty reputation to uphold their promises and people still keep day one buying their stuff and expecting, "this is the time PMDG will reward my loyalty". You buy the product as is and anything extra is treated as a surprise. Also stop purchasing products day one, out of insatiable compulsion, without any informed reviews on what you're actually getting, making purchases on reputation alone.

It's been shown time and time again that companies will choose their long-term financial survival over their customers any day of the week, no matter how loyal that customer is because, at the end of the day you're a consumer, not a friend. It's immoral sure, but a company's primary focus is to make money.

18 minutes ago, Lucky38i said:

 PMDG has proven to have a spotty reputation to uphold their promises and people still keep day one buying their stuff and expecting, "this is the time PMDG will reward my loyalty". You buy the product as is and anything extra is treated as a surprise. Also stop purchasing products day one, out of insatiable compulsion, without any informed reviews on what you're actually getting, making purchases on reputation alone.

Truer words were never spoken.

36 minutes ago, zabren said:

Unfortunately you have not understood that the focus is not on P3D, but on the unethical way of how Mr. Randazzo conducts his business.
We'll see when you ask for changes for your 777 MSFS version and he will promise...promise....promise, if you have the same opinion.
Good luck

You're too emotional.  In general terms, PMDG releases a solid representation of their aircraft.  I've also been frustrated by certain aspects of  products and attitude on their forum, but I would not classify RSR or PMDG as unethical in the slightest.  He is running a business, not a charity.  That has to be part of your consideration and it will only harm you if you place to much stock in every word he says. Am pretty sure he means what he says at any given point.  But a year later the world looks different, and suddenly a year old commitment, doesn't seem like the  best business idea.  It's not a unique PMDG situation.  

At the end of the day, you're paying $50-$100 (or whatever) for 4 years of use (and beyond).   You can spend that in 3 hours on a night out in London.    

Edited January 19, 20233 yr by ErichB

21 minutes ago, Lucky38i said:

primary focus is to make money.

I agree with you.
Therefore open your eyes and bring your idol down from his pedestal.

15 minutes ago, ErichB said:

 

At the end of the day, you're paying $50-$100 (or whatever) for 4 years of use (and beyond).   You can spend that in 3 hours on a night out in London.    

I tend to agree, going out for dinner, have an average meal and its all over in a few hours for $100.  The value for money on an aircraft sim that you actually fly, not one that just sits in your hanger, is very good.  I have the 777 and 747 in P3D and I have never really found any issue with them, thought they were both fantastic aircraft.  If there are issues with the 747 VNAV, it is not something I have ever noticed as an issue, even on very challenging STARS like the Ziggy4 into KONT. 

Edited January 19, 20233 yr by MarkW

1 minute ago, MarkW said:

  If there are issues with the 747 VNAV, it is not something I have every noticed as an issue, even on very challenging STARS like the Ziggy4 into KONT. 

Me neither and I flew them for years.   

11 minutes ago, ErichB said:

Me neither and I flew them for years.   

I see that every flight - during descent phase, when speed drops below desired one then engines spool up rapidly to almost full power, due to that speed is exceeded by 20kts, then engines are going back to idle, and process repeat as long as descent goes.

4 minutes ago, Beardyman said:

I see that every flight - during descent phase, when speed drops below desired one then engines spool up rapidly to almost full power, due to that speed is exceeded by 20kts, then engines are going back to idle, and process repeat as long as descent goes.

I honestly cannot remember ever having that issue.  Are you sure it's full power?

Edited January 19, 20233 yr by ErichB

it is almost full power, but that does not matter, fact is that power applied is far too high comparing to speed deficiency and VNAV system largly overshot set limit

I have it on 747