4 hours ago, RaptyrOne said:

It could backfire too though. People take up the trial option only to realise that Fenix really is not as far ahead as they might have thought, even inferior in some aspects and go back to the A32NX, resting even more assured that they have saved themselves some $$$.

I haven't seen anyone post that the bought the Fenix and then went back to the FBW..

4 hours ago, speedyTC said:

They take a second or two to show the green indicator. Or does your install not light them up at all?

Correct. I am on experimental, but I don’t recall them ever lighting. I thought the indicator was blue, also. 

5 hours ago, RaptyrOne said:

People take up the trial option only to realise that Fenix really is not as far ahead as they might have thought

That, indeed, was my point.

2 hours ago, HiFlyer said:

That would be me.

Alright first on the list, welcome. I guess for FPS reasons?

8 hours ago, jbdbow1970 said:

IMO I don't think this ever happened before in the history of flight simming. Not going to happen.

Gee whiz, right here in this thread:  https://www.avsim.com/forums/topic/630757-fenix-or-fbw/?do=findComment&comment=4924625

 

5 hours ago, Fiorentoni said:

I haven‘t heard of ANYONE who bought the Fenix and then returned to flying the FBW only/mostly only.

Gee whiz, right here again in this thread--and it's in other threads off this site as well:

https://www.avsim.com/forums/topic/630757-fenix-or-fbw/?do=findComment&comment=4924375

https://www.avsim.com/forums/topic/630757-fenix-or-fbw/?do=findComment&comment=4924717

7 hours ago, micstatic said:

you also claim fenix is losing customers to fbw. Based on what?  Yeah there are people who fly both. Why?  Because people want to fly a ceo and a neo...Yeah there are people who fly both. Why?  Because people want to fly a ceo and a neo

I have a brain and don't need a data set to figure out there aren't plenty of people worldwide who are using FBW and didn't buy Fenix.  I'm one, and of course I'm not the only one.  Your guess about this is no better than my own.  For people that own both and fly both--do you get the idea that this only makes it clear FBW absolutely competes for use-time?  If FBW was so inferior why the heck would anyone waste their time in FBW when they can fly Fenix?  The answer should be obvious--because it's that good it can compete directly w/ Fenix for use-time.  Get it?  I hope so.

1 hour ago, Bobsk8 said:

Sounds to me like you want to try the Fenix but are too cheap to purchase it.  

This comment doesn't deserve a response since it's another one of your not very subtle ad hominem comments but I'll respond anyway because it points to the very weird agenda in this thread:  why the heck do some of you feel the need to try to goad someone who is delighted to have found a fantastic freeware version of A320 into paying for another variant they're not interested in?  I'm happy to support FBW they've done an incredible job converting this plane into something that can compete with Fenix and OF COURSE it does, certainly for use-time by owners of both.  Can I comment on Fenix?  Sure, by relaying the comments of many others.  I researched this decision deeply, off of Avsim, and found all sorts of evidence of the comparability and even the desirability of FBW over Fenix by some--two of which are in this little thread.  <<< READ THAT AGAIN

I'm aware Fenix is going to be closer to study level in fact recently I sent a video, one of the ones I viewed before making my decision, to a neighbor's son who was just hired by Frontier and will be training for three months on Airbus which is new to him.  If I was after study-level, I'd do it was well.  But that is not me, at all, and that's fine I'll never be a RW pilot.  I enjoy the heck out of all elements of this incredible freeware plane including the little touches like crew announcements which are very well done, just right.

 

Noel.  I guess I'm just confused by your mission.  I admit I don't know much about the pilots life program.  But I thought the whole point is to accurately simulate airline flight and get scored on a series of metrics right?  So that's why I thought study level (for lack of a a better term) was important to you.  I personally would bet 20 bucks that if you bought the fenix you would prefer it.  

9 minutes ago, Noel said:

If FBW was so inferior why the heck would anyone waste their time in FBW when they can fly Fenix?  The answer should be obvious--because it's that good it can compete directly w/ Fenix for use-time.  Get it?  I hope so.

 

I already answered that question.  I believe there are many people out there who want to fly both the CEO and the NEO.  But the debate here isn't about one vs the other.  I think a few people were rubbed wrong in this thread because you were making declarative statements about the fenix that you probably shouldn't make since you've never flown it.  

58 minutes ago, Fiorentoni said:

Alright first on the list, welcome. I guess for FPS reasons?

Not really.

I just find the EFB more friendly and intuitive, and the overall flow of setting up a flight more pleasant. I also find the general audio ambiance (Passengers talking as they board, flight attendants giving their speech, the captain welcoming the passengers and more) more complete and immersive, as well as the mentioned framerate, which doesn't mean as much with my new system.

I also find the mechanical sounds of the craft (APU spooling up and more) to help increase the immersion factor, so I don't feel quite so "alone in a boring spreadsheet" while getting my pre-flight done.

Finally, the actual visual presentation of the airport as you pushback is (again) a testament to FBW user friendliness and going above and beyond. I appreciate it.

Plus the fact that the FBW installer is a convenient one stop combo package with FSLTL

As a technical exercise, the Fenix is considered by many to be the "better" plane. I fly it to feel all knowledgeable and techy and elite and stuff, and because I was curious.

I Fly the FBW cause' its interesting and fun

11 minutes ago, micstatic said:

Noel.  I guess I'm just confused by your mission.  I admit I don't know much about the pilots life program.  But I thought the whole point is to accurately simulate airline flight and get scored on a series of metrics right?  So that's why I thought study level (for lack of a a better term) was important to you.  I personally would bet 20 bucks that if you bought the fenix you would prefer it.  

I already answered that question.  I believe there are many people out there who want to fly both the CEO and the NEO.  But the debate here isn't about one vs the other.  I think a few people were rubbed wrong in this thread because you were making declarative statements about the fenix that you probably shouldn't make since you've never flown it.  

The whole point, for me, in APL is to achieve a high ranking score based on its pilot monitoring criteria which are significant.  It does not accommodate failures so Fenix's capabilities won't come into play for me.  There is nothing that Fenix offers that will have ANY bearing on the scoring criteria:  not it's more mature VNAV, not its allegedly better textures, etc.

Actually the debate indeed has been about one v the other:  "Fenix or FBW?"

Here's the bottom line:  FBW is an incredibly effective, remarkable piece of freeware that does a huge amount of what Fenix does and I don't have to have used Fenix to state that.  If it was really lacking it would be a totally different story but quite clearly it's not, hence we see people here preferring it over Fenix and as mentioned this sentiment is mirrored by others in my research.  Dave--why do you think that is?  Two people out of a very few different responders here stated that.  <<< READ THAT AGAIN

I know you mean well, and I understand plenty about the differences between the two, and right now I have no interest in Fenix and that is because FBW is just too good to pass up.  I've sent them donation funds I support their mission and look forward to the A380.

FWIW, I flew the Dev FBW this morning ( I usually fly EXP) and it was stutter free with good performance. I just wanted to test it out to see how it went and I'll move back to EXP, the VNAV function is a must of course.

For those of you looking for some T/O performance software, I use Simsmart, it costs around 5 bucks and is based on the exact same software Easyjet pilots use. It's very intuitive and worth the money.

https://www.a320perf.uk/

12 minutes ago, El Diablito said:

FWIW, I flew the Dev FBW this morning ( I usually fly EXP) and it was stutter free with good performance.

The stutter-free changes are present in the EXP version as well and indeed it is--however there is a brief stutter when the ATC window is opened up on my installation and that is also present in the DEV version which I tested for this morning.  I've taken to keeping the ATC window minimized (as a bar) just above the MSFS toolbar and that works well for me.

1 hour ago, Noel said:

Gee whiz, right here again in this thread--and it's in other threads off this site as well:

https://www.avsim.com/forums/topic/630757-fenix-or-fbw/?do=findComment&comment=4924375

https://www.avsim.com/forums/topic/630757-fenix-or-fbw/?do=findComment&comment=4924717

One of them literally posted AFTER my statement, in what world does that count for „Gee whiz right here!“?

The other one, alright, I can‘t take anyone serious who thinks the FBW has better cockpit textures than the Fenix. It reminds me of that one dude on the FSL forum that constantly claimed P3D looked much better than MSFS.

Again, no one would feel the need to respond to your posts about the FBW if you stopped doing false and/or word not allowed statements about the Fenix or the people that fly the Fenix or the amount of users the Fenix has „lost“ to the FBW (I still can‘t believe you actually said that).

EDIT: the negation of gnorant seems to be disallowed here, alright. I was trying to say „lacking of knowledge about the Fenix“

Edited February 18, 20233 yr by Fiorentoni

Just now, Fiorentoni said:

One of them literally posted AFTER my statement, in what world does that count for „Gee whiz right here!“?

The other one, alright, I can‘t take anyone serious who thinks the FBW has better cockpit textures than the Fenix. It reminds me of that one dude on the FSL forum that constantly claimed P3D looked much better than MSFS.

Again, no one would feel the need to respond to your posts about the FBW if you stopped doing false and/or word not allowed statements about the Fenix or the people that fly the Fenix or the amount of users the Fenix has „lost“ to the FBW (I still can‘t believe you actually said that).

Umm, which statement that I made was "false" about Fenix?  You mean FBW is 98% of what Fenix is?  That is a rhetorical statement that can't be proven true or false by you, me or anyone else.  Do you actually believe there aren't plenty of people, like myself, who have not purchased Fenix because they're ultra happy w/ FBW?  Let me put it a different way and maybe you can follow the logic:  if FBW didn't exist, Fenix would garner all of the market of those seeking a HIGH QUALITY A320--and FBW certainly qualifies as HIGH QUALITY.  So in absolute effect:  Fenix lost those users to FBW.  Get it?  I hope so, if not read it again.

39 minutes ago, Noel said:

Dave--why do you think that is?  Two people out of a very few different responders here stated that.  <<< READ THAT AGAIN

Can't speak for everyone, but personally I don't want to waste my time debating with you ad nauseam - pretty sure that goes for a lot of us.

Concerning the numbers, I just checked my VAs Live ACARS map and of the A320 flights that were active 2 were FBW, 11 were Fenix and 1 FSL. Nobody knows whether the 2 FBW flyers also own the Fenix but still prefer the FBW ...

Don't bother responding, please.

12 minutes ago, Noel said:

I've taken to keeping the ATC window minimized (as a bar) just above the MSFS toolbar and that works well for me.

It's either casual test flights using FSLTL or Vatsim for me, I never use the in-game ATC so hopefully I'll see an improvement. There was a real noticeable performance dip moving over to the FBW from PMDG 738.

3 minutes ago, Noel said:

Umm, which statement that I made was "false" about Fenix?  You mean FBW is 98% of what Fenix is?  That is a rhetorical statement that can't be proven true or false by you, me or anyone else.  Do you actually believe there aren't plenty of people, like myself, who have not purchased Fenix because they're ultra happy w/ FBW?  Let me put it a different way and maybe you can follow the logic:  if FBW didn't exist, Fenix would garner all of the market of those seeking a HIGH QUALITY A320--and FBW certainly qualifies as HIGH QUALITY.  So in absolute effect:  Fenix lost those users to FBW.  Get it?  I hope so, if not read it again.

I suggested it before on this thread.  Why don't you start a poll asking which Airbus people prefer, FBW or FENIX, provided that they have tried both.