5 hours ago, Lotharen said:

Everything seems pretty scripted in MSFS if you ask me.

If you double-enter the departure and arrival airports in the MSFS WM planner you can count on ATC using those runways.  From there I use Simbrief to decide which SID/STAR for the runways I know will be used.  Then I am back in the WM planner to enter those SID/STARS.   Now when I hit FLY all is synced and predictable, hence the scripted piece.  When it turns out MSFS decides to use a different arrival runway which is very rare I will open LNM to look at arrival approach options and go from there.  As mentioned I'm dedicated user of A Pilot's Life and w/ the modern birds I'm in viewing a chart will be largely a ritual that has no bearing on outcomes as everything is already in the avionics.  If I were a RW pilot I would not sim-fly w/o charts so I can practice what I need to be doing in the RW when piloting, reinforcing good habits and so forth.  Very easy to see value there.

Yesterday I was flying on Vatsim and ATC instructed me to hold as published. How would you know the holding inbound course, turning directions, etc, if you don't have charts? 🙂 

5 minutes ago, fgiraudo said:

Yesterday I was flying on Vatsim and ATC instructed me to hold as published. How would you know the holding inbound course, turning directions, etc, if you don't have charts? 🙂 

He flies in very sterile environments mostly using default ATC so it'd never happen for him.

Flying in a scripted sterile environment = doing lanes in a pool

Unscripted, using charts = swimming in the ocean

JMHO

2 hours ago, Ricardo41 said:

Flying in a scripted sterile environment = doing lanes in a pool

Unscripted, using charts = swimming in the ocean

JMHO

Actually, following charts is doing lanes in a pool. The whole idea of charts is that they are 'scripted'. Each chart is a script you have to follow exactly. Charts wouldn't exist if they weren't 'scripted'. In fact, the entire filed IFR plan is scripted.

"Unscripted, using charts" is a contradictio in terminis.

5 minutes ago, tup61 said:

Actually, following charts is doing lanes in a pool. The whole idea of charts is that they are 'scripted'. Each chart is a script you have to follow exactly. Charts wouldn't exist if they weren't 'scripted'. In fact, the entire filed IFR plan is scripted.

"Unscripted, using charts" is a contradictio in terminis.

I'd say they're a 'chapter' of a script, where other (optional) chapters include SIDs, STARs and an IFR route.  I say optional as I'm often a bush flier, and I might only decide during the flight where I want to go next.  If the weather turns out to be a problem, I'll go IFR for that stage.  So it can still be akin to unscripted flying but calling up scripted chapters for weather-bound stages.  Of course if you fly Big Iron, such unscripted jollies are not on the menu.

41 minutes ago, tup61 said:

Actually, following charts is doing lanes in a pool. The whole idea of charts is that they are 'scripted'. Each chart is a script you have to follow exactly. Charts wouldn't exist if they weren't 'scripted'. In fact, the entire filed IFR plan is scripted.

"Unscripted, using charts" is a contradictio in terminis.

You completely misunderstood what I said. Where did I ever say that an IFR flight plan isn't scripted? This is why it's called a "flight plan". Edit: calling a flight plan scripted is probably not the best way to describe it --> it's a "plan".

Edited February 28, 20233 yr by Ricardo41

I don't usually use the charts for approaches, etc. I get some of that from the flight planner software. What I do use them for is:

• Localzer frequencies. This is important for airplanes that don't auto fill this based on airport/runway
• Altitude for glide slope.
• Runway elevation
• Runway length.
• A map of the airport and stands. I've lost count of the times I've turned the wrong way off a runway.

2 minutes ago, BrammyH said:

I don't usually use the charts for approaches, etc. I get some of that from the flight planner software. What I do use them for is:

• Localzer frequencies. This is important for airplanes that don't auto fill this based on airport/runway
• Altitude for glide slope.
• Runway elevation
• Runway length.
• A map of the airport and stands. I've lost count of the times I've turned the wrong way off a runway.

My enjoyment of flight simulation has doubled since using all available charts. With a Navigraph subscription, all the relevant charts are automatically collected in a pinboard, which I access on my phone via the Navigraph app.

17 minutes ago, BrammyH said:

I don't usually use the charts for approaches, etc. I get some of that from the flight planner software. What I do use them for is:

• Localzer frequencies. This is important for airplanes that don't auto fill this based on airport/runway
• Altitude for glide slope.
• Runway elevation
• Runway length.
• A map of the airport and stands. I've lost count of the times I've turned the wrong way off a runway.

I guess it obviously also depends on what plane you fly. I am currently learning to fly the updated Longitude and all the information you mentioned is right there in the G5000. If you fly non-glass airliners that's a different story of course. 😉

1 minute ago, tup61 said:

I guess it obviously also depends on what plane you fly. I am currently learning to fly the updated Longitude and all the information you mentioned is right there in the G5000. If you fly non-glass airliners that's a different story of course.

Yeah, true. The chart is just a nice one-stop shop where I can verify information. I keep Navigraph open on my iPad for reference.

32 minutes ago, Ricardo41 said:

You completely misunderstood what I said. Where did I ever say that an IFR flight plan isn't scripted? This is why it's called a "flight plan". Edit: calling a flight plan scripted is probably not the best way to describe it --> it's a "plan".

And you missed my point. 😉 The remark about a plan was only a sidenote. Charts are 'scripts' and so it's impossible to say you fly unscripted thanks to charts.

34 minutes ago, tup61 said:

and so it's impossible to say you fly unscripted thanks to charts.

Where did I say "thanks to charts I fly unscripted?"

Stop putting words in my mouth.

On 2/27/2023 at 5:48 AM, Bobsk8 said:

Tell me exactly what you be missing from Avliasoft EFB, and I mean exactly?

Bob, is it possible to load a complete FP w/ SID/STAR from SimBrief or MSFS to Aivlasoft?  

11 minutes ago, Noel said:

Bob, is it possible to load a complete FP w/ SID/STAR from SimBrief or MSFS to Aivlasoft?  

I never do. I use Avliasoft to look at both Sids and Stars for the runway I am using, to see which fits better.It only takes a second to do that. I guess you could include the Sid and Star in the flight plan, but I have never done that.