19 minutes ago, jozeff said:

Hi guys,

Interesting discussion here, thanks for that.

I'm just getting into proper flight planning and charts so my question might be a bit novice..

Why wouldn't I need paid charts app/software for flying in the US only? I read a couple of times here that only outside the USA I would definitely need navigraph or aivlasoft.

 

Thanks again!

 

Jozeff

You can download all the US charts from the FAA for free.  Jeppesen cost money, but the FAA charts are free for the US.  They're readily available all over and update to current as well.  A lot of non-US charts are restricted.  You can get Canada plates from https://www.fltplan.com/  They're free to use for various services.   I can't say I've ever had a lot of luck tracking down charts outside the US or Canada that are current.  So, yes, US flight charts are free, and Canada have some good access as well.  So many options:

https://skyvector.com/

https://www.globalair.com/

https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/flight_info/aeronav/digital_products/ifr/#lowsHighsAreas

https://weathercams.faa.gov/

http://www.airnav.com/

 

2 hours ago, Noel said:

I did generate the dbase for Aivlasoft but will double check again tomorrow thank you Detlef.  I just learned LNM does SimBrief flight plan imports so pretty tempting to just stick with it as it pretty much does get the job done.  But to be fair I haven't give Aivlasoft a fair trial yet but have another 27days to see what it really adds.  

I must admit that since CHARTS 8 has come out I haven't touched Aivlasoft EFB.

Still have LNM open every flight though !!..

 

G

1 hour ago, Sonosusto said:

Yeah. Seems like a lot for me. Navigraph/Simbrief subscription includes in-sim charts and they work really well for me.

I'm struggling to find a reason why one would want to use Aivlasoft over a Navigraph ultimate subscription. The only reason I can think of is that Navigraph requires a subscription whereas
Aivlasoft is a one-time purchase.

Navigraph ultimate offers everything you need for flight planning: 1) a desktop app, 2) seamless integration with Simbrief, 3) updated nav data, 4) an in-game charts panel, 5) mobile apps for Android and IOS, 6) a work in progress plugin to restore the ability to display charts on the MFDisplays.

34 minutes ago, Ricardo41 said:

I'm struggling to find a reason why one would want to use Aivlasoft over a Navigraph ultimate subscription. The only reason I can think of is that Navigraph requires a subscription whereas
Aivlasoft is a one-time purchase.

Navigraph ultimate offers everything you need for flight planning: 1) a desktop app, 2) seamless integration with Simbrief, 3) updated nav data, 4) an in-game charts panel, 5) mobile apps for Android and IOS, 6) a work in progress plugin to restore the ability to display charts on the MFDisplays.

Yep agree, 🙂

Edited March 2, 20233 yr by pete_auau

1 hour ago, Ricardo41 said:

I'm struggling to find a reason why one would want to use Aivlasoft over a Navigraph ultimate subscription. The only reason I can think of is that Navigraph requires a subscription whereas
Aivlasoft is a one-time purchase.

Navigraph ultimate offers everything you need for flight planning: 1) a desktop app, 2) seamless integration with Simbrief, 3) updated nav data, 4) an in-game charts panel, 5) mobile apps for Android and IOS, 6) a work in progress plugin to restore the ability to display charts on the MFDisplays.

Me neither. The complete package that's well presented and very easy to use.

Avliasoft is just easy to use. Everything you need is on one screen, you don't have to open a map, look up weather, figure out a departure or approach, one click does it all, and around $600 per year stays in my wallet.

6 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

 and around $600 per year stays in my wallet.

A yearly Navigraph subscription is about $100.

19 hours ago, Ricardo41 said:

I'm struggling to find a reason why one would want to use Aivlasoft over a Navigraph ultimate subscription. The only reason I can think of is that Navigraph requires a subscription whereas
Aivlasoft is a one-time purchase.

Navigraph ultimate offers everything you need for flight planning: 1) a desktop app, 2) seamless integration with Simbrief, 3) updated nav data, 4) an in-game charts panel, 5) mobile apps for Android and IOS, 6) a work in progress plugin to restore the ability to display charts on the MFDisplays.

Yeah. It's a good fit for me plus it updates Pilot2ATC to keep it updated. Which, by the way, also has some good flight planning (SID/STAR, any waypoint, airways etc).

For me, its no fuss. Doesn't cost much and gives me what I need. Plus its with simbrief so if I need something more accurate I can use simbrief for a more realistic flight plan with all the options.

Including lettuce. Have to have some greens. 😁

20 hours ago, Bobsk8 said:

and around $600 per year stays in my wallet

Make that around $70 since, as Ricardo41 already stated, a subscription costs around $100, but since you do have a subscription for the navdata, which costs around $30 a year, you actually save $70 a year. Still nice but certainly no $600... 😉

3 hours ago, tup61 said:

Make that around $70 since, as Ricardo41 already stated, a subscription costs around $100, but since you do have a subscription for the navdata, which costs around $30 a year, you actually save $70 a year. Still nice but certainly no $600... 😉

I stand corrected. They must have dropped their prices, I thought the yearly cost used to be  much more. 

1 hour ago, Bobsk8 said:

I stand corrected. They must have dropped their prices, I thought the yearly cost used to be  much more. 

I don't think they dropped the prices. In 2019 it was 8.30 Euros/month, today it's 10.77 Euros, I think

Edited March 3, 20233 yr by crimplene

I imported FP from Simbrief into LNM, then into Aivlasoft.  For some reason Aivlasoft does not show the fixes in the SID, whereas LNM does.  What do I need to do to get these fixes to display in Aivlasoft?  

On 3/2/2023 at 2:00 PM, jozeff said:

Hi guys,

Interesting discussion here, thanks for that.

I'm just getting into proper flight planning and charts so my question might be a bit novice..

Why wouldn't I need paid charts app/software for flying in the US only? I read a couple of times here that only outside the USA I would definitely need navigraph or aivlasoft.

 

Thanks again!

 

Jozeff

For proper flight planning you need "proper" navdata. And at the current state you will get them only from navigraph (for MSFS). The navdata in MSFS are coming from another publisher and coming not in a regular cycles like from navigraph. The majority here is using Simbrief for flightplanning and Simbrief uses navdata from navigraph. Without navigraph you can get discrepancies between the navdata in MSFS and Simbrief.

Or even without Simbrief, if you want to put in a SID/STAR/APPR/waypoint or something else in the MCDU according to your charts and the database in MSFS does not know this point you will be unable to do so. 

Flying in the US only - no need for charts as you can download all charts. But to be "proper"  you will need navigraph navdata. You can sign for navdata only at navigraph, without charts. It's much cheeper, please take a look at navigraph's webpage ....

Best regards, Detlef

Edited March 4, 20233 yr by stratone
Forgot best regards ....

16 hours ago, crimplene said:

I don't think they dropped the prices. In 2019 it was 8.30 Euros/month, today it's 10.77 Euros, I think

monthly for unlimited its 9.05,  yearly  its 81.64  so its cheaper if  you  go the yearly option alot  cheaper  than  600   that was  mentioned   previously so thats 2  less  cartons  of  beer i can buy per  year 🙂

Edited March 4, 20233 yr by pete_auau

9 hours ago, Noel said:

I imported FP from Simbrief into LNM, then into Aivlasoft.  For some reason Aivlasoft does not show the fixes in the SID, whereas LNM does.  What do I need to do to get these fixes to display in Aivlasoft?  

1. It looks like your navdata in Simbrief and LNM are correct. I compared the SID shown in your LNM with the actual navigraph chart for Queenstown's ANPOV 3B RNP SID.

2. In regard to Aivlasoft - might be you miss a point in the UI to display the flightpath with SID/STAR ? Can you check if all waypoints from the SID are listed in the flightplan from Aivlasoft, even without to load the flightplan from Aivlasoft into the sim? Otherwise update the database from Aivlasoft again and see what will happen. And try another SID or another airport and compare with LNM.

I do not have Aivlasoft, for me no reason for an additional app then navigraph charts. And since Navigraph included VFR Charts I don't use LNM anymore too ...

Best regards, Detlef