11 hours ago, Sonosusto said:

If anything, the historical traffic would be really beneficial if you want to fly in different timezones. But 204 dollars?

I will stick to FSLTL and maybe they'll add historical traffic or something similar soon.

Historical traffic data comes at a cost, also for FSLTL. FR24 provides very expensive subscriptions.

Edited March 27, 20233 yr by kiek

Fr24 very expensive? Silver for £10 per year! 

3 hours ago, kiek said:

Historical traffic data comes at a cost, also for FSLTL. FR24 provides very expensive subscriptions.

FSLTL does not have that yet. But are you saying, if they were to use historical data, that it would be very expensive?

3 hours ago, rutra said:

Fr24 very expensive? Silver for £10 per year! 

Yes, I'm talking about historical real time data 

6 hours ago, rutra said:

Fr24 very expensive? Silver for £10 per year! 

Not for commercial use it isn't.

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I think FR24 would notice several thousand data requests from just one Silver account.

 

Even though it's not free like FSLTL's method of live traffic, the fact that RealTraffic and PSXT avoids using MSFS' AI engine alone is worth it to me. Then there's the fact the RT + PSXT combination give the most realistic AI traffic in any flight sim makes it a must-have for me.

33 minutes ago, F737MAX said:

Even though it's not free like FSLTL's method of live traffic, the fact that RealTraffic and PSXT avoids using MSFS' AI engine alone is worth it to me. Then there's the fact the RT + PSXT combination give the most realistic AI traffic in any flight sim makes it a must-have for me.

Exactly. Fully agreed.

I am getting very satisfactory AI results using FSLTL (using RT models) along with AIFlow and AIGround utilities (available on Flightsim.TO).

1 hour ago, F737MAX said:

Not for commercial use it isn't.

I think FR24 would notice several thousand data requests from just one Silver account.

 

Even though it's not free like FSLTL's method of live traffic, the fact that RealTraffic and PSXT avoids using MSFS' AI engine alone is worth it to me. Then there's the fact the RT + PSXT combination give the most realistic AI traffic in any flight sim makes it a must-have for me.

Same for me. The AI does and goes exactly where it is in the real world... it's worth the cost to me

Well, if I ever needed a different traffic program then it should have historical traffic available. PSXT and Real Traffic work together but in order to have historical traffic, I would have to pay 200 US Dollars per year for just adding historical traffic. Otherwise, its cost is around 100 dollars per year. That is pretty steep IMO but if I ever really wanted that then yeah...

However, FSLTL and its latest update along with AI Flow and AIGround do a pretty good job overall. Easy on FPS as well.

On 3/26/2023 at 8:42 PM, kiek said:

Except PSXT...

 

 

On 3/26/2023 at 9:26 PM, Silicus said:

I agree, PSXT and RealTraffic combo is pretty darn close to realistic AI traffic! There is the odd glitch, but nothing to write home about.

 

On 3/26/2023 at 10:42 PM, alepro21 said:

I agree that PSXT is the best solution by far and love the constant improvements that @kiek is making. Thanks a million for all your efforts!

 

Agreed. Using a mixture of models from flight1, aig, and fsltl.   It's awesome. 

1 hour ago, fluffyflops said:

 

 

Agreed. Using a mixture of models from flight1, aig, and fsltl.   It's awesome. 

How much does it all cost?

PSXT does not interact with ATC, so ATC does not know those planes exist. 

1 hour ago, RobJC said:

PSXT does not interact with ATC, so ATC does not know those planes exist. 

True.
Though I prefer to listen to real ATC (LiveATC.net or FS-ATC-Chatter) with correct phraseology and accents in respective regions, rather than MSFS' own mechanically-voiced ATC.

I also prefer my AI traffic to roll-out and get off the runway in good time, approach a runway correctly, actually land, be correctly spaced, follow SIDs and STARs, fly holding patterns when required, maintain appropriate speeds, taxi without spinning, nor create blockages on taxiways or at holding points.

Everything in flight simming is a compromise. Mine is not having my aircraft controlled by ATC. However, everything else is "as real as it gets"™. 😀

4 hours ago, WestAir said:

How much does it all cost?

https://rtweb.flyrealtraffic.com/

https://www.justflight.com/product/fs-traffic-microsoft-flight-simulator

the models from aig and fsltl are free.  issue is there are missing models from justflight and fsltl so if you want realism you need all three. or you will have missing 737 maxs, a350s, 330 neos etc etc

1 hour ago, F737MAX said:

True.
Though I prefer to listen to real ATC (LiveATC.net or FS-ATC-Chatter) with correct phraseology and accents in respective regions, rather than MSFS' own mechanically-voiced ATC.

I also prefer my AI traffic to roll-out and get off the runway in good time, approach a runway correctly, actually land, be correctly spaced, follow SIDs and STARs, fly holding patterns when required, maintain appropriate speeds, taxi without spinning, nor create blockages on taxiways or at holding points.

Everything in flight simming is a compromise. Mine is not having my aircraft controlled by ATC. However, everything else is "as real as it gets"™. 😀

I agree with what you have said. We all have to decide the compromises we are willing to deal with. One thing that made the difference for me was performance. PSXT/RT took a bigger toll on my FPS than FSLTL. I get 42-49 FPS with FSLTL. I get 29-33 with PSXT/RT. That really tipped the scales.