7 hours ago, FlyingsCool said:

I keep my controller curves flat and I'm very happy with that. Way back I used to adjust my controller curves, but I find things much easier to control with flat setup. I use a Logitech Extreme3DPro joystick (elevator trim on the throttle axis), and two ChProducts twin engine throttle etc controllers (for four engine planes) and Ch Products rudder peals pro. 

The only issue I have with the Warrior after the update (I fly that in the sim a lot since it's what I rent) is that it weathervanes on the ground pretty bad when taxiing at low speed. A ten knot wind made it pretty hard to taxi. Not impossible, but lots of having to stop and lots of rudder. 

In the air I find it handles very well. 

My mod fixes the weathervane excess. Would you like to test the mod?

1 hour ago, robert young said:

My mod fixes the weathervane excess. 

If this is the case I will be so happy, and these birds will get flown again.  Very grateful for your work on this.

The legend returns!!! 

One thing I defiantly noticed with this planes is that they feel very twitchy pitchwise. Especially on a approach, it seems to pitch up and down in increments rather than in a smooth manner. Hope that makes sense.

How is this mod coming along? I am also debating which JF bundle to get? should I just get the Turbo Arrow Package? or the combo or even the Warrior.  3 choices...I just need 1 plane....

Would love suggestions from IRL pilots (I intend to fly the plane only in VR with Quest 2)

Actually got the Arrow III for now...I am doing courses on PE, and for now I want to go slow a little..Looks great in VR so far.

 

Excited to see your mods Robert

On 6/21/2023 at 12:48 PM, robert young said:

My mod fixes the weathervane excess. Would you like to test the mod?

Hi Rob,  this seems to be a common problem with a number of GA airplanes.  Are you willing to give us some guidance on what needs to be adjusted to correct this behavior?   That would come in handy for other aircraft.. 😉

Hi Bert,

I have PM'd you with the mod to test. For general use in taming the weather vaning and exaggerated crosswind effect on the ground there are a number of parameters that can be adjusted.

Under the FLIGHT_TUNING section of a given flight_model.cfg file are new parameters which add resistance to tire grip on the runway and also damping the tendency to over-react to cross winds. The examples below probably need to be re-adjusted depending on the size and weight of each individual aircraft but the example below seems to work well with small GA aircraft, but of course there will be room for improvement for each individual aircraft model:

ground_crosswind_effect_max_speed = 200 ; feet per second, default is 80
ground_crosswind_effect_zero_speed = 1 ; feet per second, default is 5
ground_high_speed_steeringwheel_static_friction_scalar = 1.3
ground_high_speed_otherwheel_static_friction_scalar = 1.3

Cheers,

Robert

Edited July 3, 20232 yr by robert young

38 minutes ago, robert young said:

For general use in taming the weather vaning and exaggerated crosswind effect on the ground there are a number of parameters that can be adjusted.

Hi Rob, thanks!  Beta mod received and first test is good... more to try out..

I notice that you typically also increase YAW MOI values.. would that also help?

On 6/22/2023 at 4:16 AM, abennett said:

One thing I defiantly noticed with this planes is that they feel very twitchy pitchwise. Especially on a approach, it seems to pitch up and down in increments rather than in a smooth manner. Hope that makes sense.

I have noticed this as well.. the VSI jumps from -1000 to +1000 with very little elevator input..

1 hour ago, Bert Pieke said:

Hi Rob, thanks!  Beta mod received and first test is good... more to try out..

I notice that you typically also increase YAW MOI values.. would that also help?

Yes Bert. Yaw inertia (MOI) values in yaw tend to need much higher values than either pitch or roll, but you have to be careful not to overdo it as then steering on the ground can become more sluggish to respond so as always it is a compromise between the two.

5 hours ago, Bert Pieke said:

I have noticed this as well.. the VSI jumps from -1000 to +1000 with very little elevator input..

Increasing the Pitch MOI a bit seems to dampen this behavior.. have sent Rob Young my feedback..

If you fly any of the Arrows, suggest you get the beta mod from Rob via PM..  It is an improvement 😉

9 hours ago, Bert Pieke said:

One thing I defiantly noticed with this planes is that they feel very twitchy pitchwise. Especially on a approach, it seems to pitch up and down in increments rather than in a smooth manner. Hope that makes sense.

Ahhhh...so it's not just me....I took the Arrow III out for a little jaunt last night and every time I adjusted pitch and sometimes without it would jerk down abruptly....

10 hours ago, davenicoll said:

Ahhhh...so it's not just me....I took the Arrow III out for a little jaunt last night and every time I adjusted pitch and sometimes without it would jerk down abruptly....

This may be slightly off topic, but if you are looking for impeccable flight behavior, the Rob Young Bonanza mod still is top of the list IMHO.  You can also combine the analog A36 (blacksquare) with Rob's flight model and get the best of both worlds. PM me if you need help with this..

It's been a few months since I flew the JF arrows, but they required a whole lot of rudder trim to fly straight. I used AAO which allows setting up as many trim buttons as you wish, without them interfering with each other.

I have 2 fast trim buttons (the buttons repeat, i.e. keeps trimming more while pushed). 

And also slow trim buttons (in addition to the Slow box being checked in AAO, I also did not check the Repeat box).

Unlike any with other plane, I had to hold one of the two fast trim buttons down a very long time to make the wings stay anywhere close to  level. And then a quick fine tune touch it up with the slow trim buttons. 

With any other GA plane, this long time holding of the trim buttons was never necessary. If I did not do this, the Arrows would yaw away quite fast.