21 minutes ago, Sunshine13 said:

It used to be that flight simulator was all about simming and real piloting, now it seems that flight simulator has become a GAME  I under stand thats for the big BUCKS  I have been simming since the late 90's I sometimes think that they gave up on FS 2020, so many people totally surprised!!!  Where is that 10 year commitment we always heard about????

 

That 10 year commitment is still there. They just keep on improving MSFS enough that they think it warrants a new big release. 

They haven't just abandoned the game like so many on here seem to think.

Just now, jarmstro said:

Then they will simply lose some or many of their existing customers. Whether they can make up for this with new ones is an uncertainty. A gamble.

People will always complain.  .  I guarantee you people are not going to ditch the sim

49 minutes ago, Sunshine13 said:

t used to be that flight simulator was all about simming and real piloting, now it seems that flight simulator has become a GAME 

Not quite an accurate statement.  Flight Simulator may be expanding to include some gaming elements, but that is necessary to get as many into the flightsim space as possible.  Once people understand what they are doing, comprehend basic principles of flight and everything else that goes with a hobby which is really quite complex, they will advance to a more 'clinical' use of the sim. 

You can make flight simming as sterile or as game-like as you want.  The option has always been there.  Nothing has been taken away from the hard core aspects of the sim platform.  How you use it is up to you.

Let's visit history:

Flight Simulator 1.0
− Released in November 1982

Flight Simulator 2.0
− Released in 1984

Flight Simulator 3.0
− Released in mid-1988

Flight Simulator 4.0
− Released in late 1989

Flight Simulator 5.0
− Released in late 1993

Flight Simulator for Windows 95
− Released in late-1996

Flight Simulator 98
− Released on September 16, 1997

Flight Simulator 2000
− Released in late 1999

Flight Simulator 2002
− Released in October 2001

Flight Simulator 2004: A Century of Flight
− Released in July 2003

Flight Simulator X
− Released in October 2006

See the pattern? also.. PMDG:

Business as usual..

What i still find concerning, is those of us that have spent an absolute fortune on addons, some only in the last few weeks. Now it's great to say nearly all the marketplace addons will work, but  what about the 1000's bought from outside the marketplace. It's all good and well saying they just work, we know from past experiences, a lot of the time they don't.

That needs to be made clear. 

I only hope that it will not be game pass only.
A one time purchase fits me better .

 

8 minutes ago, Car147 said:

What i still find concerning, is those of us that have spent an absolute fortune on addons, some only in the last few weeks. Now it's great to say nearly all the marketplace addons will work, but  what about the 1000's bought from outside the marketplace. It's all good and well saying they just work, we know from past experiences, a lot of the time they don't.

That needs to be made clear. 

the implication that MP products just works, it means there is no fundamental core changes to prevent you putting your community folder and get things moving.. certain things might need update, but this occurs even today when a SU is released and we 3rd party devs have to rush to fix stuff and release updates.

Is business as usual, we update after each SUX.. we update after each AAUX.. now we will update after MS2024.. nothing to see here, is our life as 3rd party devs.

S.

53 minutes ago, Car147 said:

What i still find concerning, is those of us that have spent an absolute fortune on addons, some only in the last few weeks. Now it's great to say nearly all the marketplace addons will work, but  what about the 1000's bought from outside the marketplace. It's all good and well saying they just work, we know from past experiences, a lot of the time they don't.

That needs to be made clear. 

People need to understand some basics.  Your discretionary purchase of addons for a current version of any sim in no way obligates the Asobo or MS  to ensure your addons work in any new version of the platform.  

MS or Asobo  have no obligation to ensure your 2020 addons work in the 2024 version - that is the addon creator's job and when you purchase an addon you also sign up to the potential risk that the addon maker will not support or update his addon beyond the date of your purchase.    Your addon will work with your current version of the sim, as intended at the time you purchased it.  There is no change to that arrangement.

Edited June 13, 20232 yr by ErichB

41 minutes ago, pommy80 said:

That 10 year commitment is still there. They just keep on improving MSFS enough that they think it warrants a new big release. 

They haven't just abandoned the game like so many on here seem to think.

The strawman and the mantra. 

Nobody has said that they have abandoned the game. People complain that fixing FS20 should have been a priority over FS24. 

Repeating that there is a 10-year commitment is PR hot air. this is just not true. 

 

17 minutes ago, ErichB said:

Not quite an accurate statement.  Flight Simulator may be expanding to include some gaming elements, but that is necessary to get as many into the flightsim space as possible.  Once people understand what they are doing, comprehend basic principles of flight and everything else that goes with a hobby which is really quite complex, they will advance to a more 'clinical' use of the sim. 

You can make flight simming as sterile or as game-like as you want.  The option has always been there.  Nothing has been taken away from the hard core aspects of the sim platform.  How you use it is up to you.

This ^^

the FS franchise is a great game because it is open. In your home, at your desk, on your couch,  it is what you want it to be. And I don't see any reason so far to fear that anything will change with FS24. As long as the free flight option is here.

 

6 minutes ago, ErichB said:

People need to understand some basics.  Your discretionary purchase of addons for a current version of any sim in no way obligates the Asobo or MS  to ensure your addons work in any new version of the platform.  That's why it is a standalone sim version -   Separate to previous versions. 

MS or Asobo  have no obligation to ensure your addons work in the new version - that is the addon creator's job and when you purchase an addon you also sign up to the potential risk that the addon maker will not support or update his addon beyond the date of your purchase.     Also, your addon will work with your current version of the sim, as intended at the time you purchased it.  There is no change to that arrangement.

Ok, And they expect customers still to buy addons for the next year? I for one will not be taking that risk. As far as i was aware this was a 10yr project, without any mention of " Your addons maybe incompatible within that period.

19 minutes ago, simbol said:

Let's visit history:
 

Business as usual..

You are absolutely right of course. You could add that the backward compatibility was never perfect in all these years.

But in 2019, there was a huge scepticism about MS commitment to the new sim after the 2009 let down. And who were these French guys anyway ? So Redmont thought it wise to blow  some hot air about a 10-year project.  It comes back to their face like a boomerang.

One thing is sure, the sim cannot survive without a new version or shifting to a subscription mode. 

25 minutes ago, Car147 said:

   

That needs to be made clear. 

It can't be.  FS24 seems to be one year from release, a lot of technical changes are probable until then. Even promising that all the MS store products will work  is questionable,  specially the non-Asobo made  stuff

Now, you want a good laugh ? Try to imagine the open beta if there is one 😄.  The greatest circus in the world coming to your town.

 

3 minutes ago, Dominique_K said:

some hot air about a 10-year project.  It comes back to their face like a boomerang.

Now in a serious discussion, although I heard Jorg saying it on QA's.. is it not truth most people assumed MSFS was going to stay on same version for 10 years, rather than, Flight Simulator will keep been developed for 10 years?

I think this is a case of self assumptions, the 10 year commitment is ongoing.. here you have more new shinny flight simulatior coming to your door. And this time they are telling you, previous add-on's are compatible. Is not that proof they still committed with the project and keep pushing it forward?.

Now what's the alternative, now being the bad cop here.. we could all uninstall MSFS in anger.. buy XP12 or go back to P3D 5.4.. I launched P3D 5.4 a couple or weeks ago to confirm compatibility of one of my products (aye still supporting P3D) and quiet frankly I could not wait to close it to launch MSFS again...

Sometimes people don;t know and appreciate what they have until they lose it... if we keep receiving Microsoft new simulators (they will continue to come, you can bet on that!) with the reactions we have today, there is no reason why they could just say.. people hate US.. no point keep going forward.. and abandon everything.

S/

 

30 minutes ago, Car147 said:

Ok, And they expect customers still to buy addons for the next year?

The addons you purchase for 2020 will still work in 2020. The addons you purchase next year made for 2020 will also work in 2020

Edited June 13, 20232 yr by ErichB

55 minutes ago, Car147 said:

What i still find concerning, is those of us that have spent an absolute fortune on addons, some only in the last few weeks. Now it's great to say nearly all the marketplace addons will work, but  what about the 1000's bought from outside the marketplace. It's all good and well saying they just work, we know from past experiences, a lot of the time they don't.

That needs to be made clear. 

People bought those addons for FS2020, didn't they? Those addons will continue to work on FS2020.

Nobody will be forced to buy and transition to the new sim, breaking (possibly) purchased content while doing so.

What is the problem exactly?