So it’s basically ms2020 updated?

i don’t get it? It’s not about the money but why the need to pay again?

 

instead of just updating the current platform?

seems like a money grab?

 

mike

 

8 minutes ago, mikeymike said:

So it’s basically ms2020 updated?

i don’t get it? It’s not about the money but why the need to pay again?

 

instead of just updating the current platform?

seems like a money grab?

 

mike

 

To get more Money, aka FS95, FS98, 2004, FSX, Windows 7, 8, 10, and people thought it was the last one, surprise Windows 11 🙂 At some point in the past and in the future, updates come in a brand new version for a brand new price. But the consumer doesn't have to buy it, the reason 4 people are still on Windows 7, playing there older version of MS flight simulator.

The key is the choice is theirs, and no one else! So skip MS2024 and get MS2028, 2032, etc... or never move on?

44 minutes ago, ErichB said:

Seasons, we have already seen, being one.

The trailer shows vegetation changing its color in one particular place.

Very early in the game, if you remember, Sebastian Wloch  said  seasons were more than foliage colors, taking as an example migrating ducks over Bordeaux 😉. 

Bringing  seasonality to this sat imagery-based sim is akin to Hercules 8th Labor.  Believe somebody who doesn't know much about programming shaders but has  lived in about 10 different climates in his  life.   If they pull that off, FS24 will be a breakthrough.

 

18 minutes ago, Dominique_K said:

The trailer shows vegetation changing its color in one particular place.

Very early in the game, if you remember, Sebastian Wloch  said  seasons were more than foliage colors, taking as an example migrating ducks over Bordeaux 😉. 

Bringing  seasonality to this sat imagery-based sim is akin to Hercules 8th Labor.  Believe somebody who doesn't know much about programming shaders but has  lived in about 10 different climates in his  life.   If they pull that off, FS24 will be a breakthrough.

 

Well, they seemed to have made a feature of the colour changes in that particular scene.  So unless we were being heavily trolled, the reasonable conclusion to draw from a showcase video for a new sim (where seasons have already been requested ad nauseam)  is that seasonal changes have been implemented.

Edited June 14, 20232 yr by ErichB

1 hour ago, mikeymike said:

So it’s basically ms2020 updated?

i don’t get it? It’s not about the money but why the need to pay again?

instead of just updating the current platform?

seems like a money grab?

 

mike

Do you not think that they deserve some more cash after four years? In other words, twice as long as any other time gap between successive (payware) iterations? Surely you did not think that you were going to get ten years of constant updates and improvements free of charge??

Edited June 14, 20232 yr by Christopher Low

2 hours ago, Alpine Scenery said:

They should have waited and just surprised us at the VERY last minute. They are going to severely hurt addon and 3PD sales if people are waiting on a new version.

 

You're wrong on both points. Your suggestion would have worked great if their goal was to destroy a ton of launch window sales potential. That would have been a very very bad idea. To your second point, I guarantee that 3PDs will be just fine. The word is getting out that virtually all current add-ons will work and a lot of the 3PDs have come out to say there's no need to worry. If they're not worried, why should we be?

 

I'm not gonna ding their marketing department too hard because they had a job to do and they executed it well. Despite all the uproar in spaces like this, the wider audience which is full of new potential customers, actually had a much more positive reaction to what was shown. I saw a lot of some of the biggest mainstream streamers have a positive and excited response.

MS is not going to drop all the info at once when the new sim is coming out sometime next year. From a marketing standpoint, the smart thing to do is to stagger info over time until release in order to keep anticipation more consistent.

The Xbox brand is getting the stuffing beaten out of it by Playstation. The PS5 is outselling both Xbox consoles 2:1 and the general consensus among the gaming community is that Xbox has no games. MS had to show their hand at the showcase and they did a really good job of it and I say that as someone who prefers the Playstation ecosystem. It isn't just about us hardcore simmers and the 3PDs. If they have to keep the lights on for the MSFS platform, they cannot operate with blinders on.

There was no need for us to go with panic and despair in response to that trailer. We're supposed to be a bit more savvy than that, especially considering what our hobby requires of us.

1 hour ago, avhpilot said:

still no (convincing) cirrus clouds ....

Creating convincing cirrus clouds using volumetric techniques is next to impossible. The only way they could have truly realistic looking cirrus would be to use a hybrid system where cirrus and other high, thin cloud types come from canned cloud textures as was done for all clouds in FSX and P3D (before EA).

1 hour ago, mikeymike said:

So it’s basically ms2020 updated?

i don’t get it? It’s not about the money but why the need to pay again?

 

instead of just updating the current platform?

seems like a money grab?

 

mike

 

There is no indication as yet that we will have to pay again. But even if we do, so what? When you consider all that we have received for our initial investment: 14 world updates, 12 sim updates, major realism improvements in GA and airliner avionics etc. we have absolutely gotten our money’s worth and then some. If they want to charge again for MS2024 they would be well within their rights to do so.

One thing's for sure, if MS plans to go to FSExpo with no intention of talking about 2024, they better stay home because they're gonna get trashed.

23 minutes ago, Krakin said:

One thing's for sure, if MS plans to go to FSExpo with no intention of talking about 2024, they better stay home because they're gonna get trashed.

Hehe oh yes... but I have to think they are completely gearing up to only talk at length about 2024 at FSExpo in order to make a big splash (as other sims and 3PDs are as well)... And probably also why they put out this minimal trailer for the XBox event focused on missions, in order keep the meaty info saved for FSExpo.
 

Edited June 14, 20232 yr by lwt1971

53 minutes ago, ErichB said:

Well, they seemed to have made a feature of the colour changes in that particular scene.  So unless we were being heavily trolled, the reasonable conclusion to draw from a showcase video for a new sim (where seasons have already been requested ad nauseam)  is that seasonal changes have been implemented.

I don't think the trailer cheats. Just that seasonality is a complex matter as it takes so many different forms all over the world.

9 minutes ago, Dominique_K said:

I don't think the trailer cheats. Just that seasonality is a complex matter as it takes so many different forms all over the world.

Yup, agree. 

Doing some comparison pictures, inspired by mrueedi in another thread

My images are on ultra preset with no adjustments.

 

I noticed all the trees around LFBO are missing in the trailer (or maybe much smaller), and the powerlines are a lot more visible (they are there in my image, they're just being eaten by trees)

 

TFFJ seems to have got  bit of an update, those ground textures are new, that line the Diamond is parked next to does not exist in current MSFS version, so i had to guess for the position

Dubrovnik has photogrammetry

Fanjing Shan, handcrafted in 2024, non existent in 2020

 

The City of Angels

 

Edited June 14, 20232 yr by Tuskin38

1 hour ago, mikeymike said:

So it’s basically ms2020 updated?

i don’t get it? It’s not about the money but why the need to pay again?

 

instead of just updating the current platform?

seems like a money grab?

 

mike

I don‘t believe it‘s a money grab. To assess that, we would have to know more about their financial situation, which we likely never will.

Here‘s the way I see it. We‘ve been spoilt with regular updates since release, most of them for free - updates created by over a hundred of employees. IniBuild‘s A310 alone must have cost quite a lot (such addons are normally sold for at least half the price of the sim). One can only guess how much that cost.
Yes, they get a cut of the Marketplace sales, and the sales of the sim might be still okay, but still, maintaining and constantly updating the sim must be very expensive.

Given the overall generosity they‘ve shown so far, I don‘t believe that they suddenly feel they need to milk their customers aggressively. Rather, I suspect they realized that they needed more revenue if they were going to continue to develop the sim at this pace (or they knew all along, but I kind of doubt it).
In any case, I personally think $60 every 4-5 years is quite reasonable for such a product. Just my 2 cents.

12 hours ago, Franz007 said:

It’s a big antenna that every VFR-pilot uses as reference after the take off vis the West- and South-route.

Sure, XP isn’t perfect. It’s cons are mostly graphical ones (Antialiasing, blending of horizon and clouds etc.). That’s why i said that graphically MSFS was clearly better.

I simply answered your statement that MSFS was by far more realistic. I disagreed (except the graphics) and gave many reasons. You didn’t mention one single conter-example but find some planes being « pretty good » or « decent ». So i still cannot clearly see why MSFS could be by far more realistic, when in fact it is at best equal in some aviation-related points.

I basically used both sims as well but have been disappointed by some aspects of MSFS (as well as some aspects of XP had disappoint me). And I am just once again disappointed to see that MSFS2024 doesn’t go into the right direction of needed improvements. Just my 2 cents.

I used to live in an extremely flat section of my country. Never once felt the need to reference a vertical obstruction to find my way around. For me, it's always prominent geographic features like rivers, lakes, mountains & hills, along with highways, roads and towns, etc.

As this is a post about MSFS 2024 vs 2020, I don't really want to get sucked into another X-Plane / MSFS debate.

I have and enjoy both X-Plane and MSFS. Neither is perfect, both are eminently usable, even for IRL pilots.