4 minutes ago, Waldo Pepper said:

That photo is from Wikipedia,  according to it's description it is a scale representation of a C-130,  C-130J,  A400M,  and the C-17.

 I've lived near a C-130 base all my life,  so I really hoped to see a decent one in FS20.

Been a fan of the C130 since a young age - I would love to have one in MSFS. 

Why would Microsoft/Asobo continue to update FS2020 after FS2024 has been released? I am not aware that they did this with previous versions. I guess it could be because they (apparently) have a ten year plan, but it just seems a bit pointless (and messy) to me.

I can see the Q&A now;

"what tornadoes in clear skies bug?"

 😄

6 minutes ago, Christopher Low said:

Why would Microsoft/Asobo continue to update FS2020 after FS2024 has been released?

Because not everyone will be moving over at once?

They didn't say they'd keep adding new content to the sim post-2024 launch. I'm expecting probably occasional patches, hotfixes, tech support.

Depending on how much they changed how Bing data is mapped to globe, maybe they could keep updating the imagery.

Edited June 13, 20232 yr by Tuskin38

34 minutes ago, Christopher Low said:

Why would Microsoft/Asobo continue to update FS2020 after FS2024 has been released?

User migration from MSFS 2020 to 2024 will not be instantaneous. It will be gradual. So it doesn't make sense to kill support while most users are still on it.

3 minutes ago, edu2703 said:

User migration from MSFS 2020 to 2024 will not be instantaneous. It will be gradual. So it doesn't make sense to kill support while most users are still on it.

Exactly. You don't get users to upgrade or move over by pulling the rug underneath them. You do it by gently nudging them, enticing them and just letting the clock run down on support on the old product. A MSFS 2020 user that doesn't want to upgrade, is still a customer that might pick up items from the marketplace, might support third party which is a value added addition to the community as a whole, is still someone who uses and potentially advertises your product.

A perfect example since that's also Microsoft; they don't cut Windows 10 support when Windows 11 is released.

2 hours ago, edu2703 said:

Sometimes I feel a certain hypocrisy from many who are complaining. I bet that most users have already invested a lot more the simulator price in addons. There are addons that alone cost more than the simulator itself.

You've just described why there's a lot of angst.

For a lot of people, spending $1,000 on add-ons for MSFS2020 (which rightly or wrongly was assumed to be 'a 10-year platform') is a significant amount to spend. Potentially seeing that all go up in smoke for a similar and not ground-breaking follow-up release would, rightly, be upsetting.

Apart from the one guy your referenced as being annoyed at the 'absurd' requirement to pay for a new flight sim, from what I've read, a small majority of people are relieved that their add-ons appear safe from re-purchase in a year's time, with the rest remaining unconvinced.
IMO, the Microsoft/Xbox marketing department has, yet again, misunderstood the ecosystem and assumed that the rules for hyping sandboxed AAA-gaming titles in advance works the same on flight simulators. The new money from outright purchases of MSFS2024 for $60-$120 will be coming from flight simmers, not monthly Xbox Game Pass subscribers that already have subs.

The fact that MS had to post a FAQ response to the trailer shows the marketing failed to do its primary job—get everyone excited for the new release.

I wonder how this will affect the scenery gateway launch…

16 minutes ago, F737MAX said:

The fact that MS had to post a FAQ response to the trailer shows the marketing failed to do its primary job—get everyone excited for the new release.

That's certainly true... and also a case of timing of which big events happen when, and MS making sure what info and how much info gets out when and where. I'm sure the Asobo dev team themselves would've wanted to put out more meaty info and trailer(s) rather than the one we got. It's also safe to say if FSExpo was before this XBox games showcase event we might've gotten a better announce of MSFS 2024. Unfortunately the XBox games showcase happened first, and for that the order of the day seemed to be short teasers only without additional context, and then they're also probably being forced to not say anything about the sim until FSExpo so that lead to this weird situation of an announce teaser having negative effects. But ya, at the very least they should've had a FAQ prepared to release right after the trailer dropped.
 

Edited June 13, 20232 yr by lwt1971

I am quite excited for the A400M. Almost twice as heavy as the A320 but needs only half of the runway. A turboprop almost as fast as a jet. I hope it will be good quality.

27 minutes ago, lwt1971 said:

That's certainly true... and also a case of timing of which big events happen when, and MS making sure what info and how much info gets out when and where. I'm sure the MSFS dev team themselves would've wanted to put out more meaty info and trailer(s) rather than the one we got. It's also safe to say if FSExpo was before this XBox games showcase event we might've gotten a better announce of MSFS 2024. Unfortunately the XBox games showcase happened first, and for that the order of the day seemed to be short teasers only without additional context, and then they're also probably being forced to not say anything about the sim until FSExpo so that lead to this weird situation of an announce teaser having negative effects. But ya, at the very least they should've had a FAQ prepared to release right after the trailer dropped.

Then there are 2 simple solutions to this, IMV:

1. "Hey, FSExpo organisers. We've an annual event that our parent company uses to showcase upcoming titles. You may have heard of it: Xbox Games Showcase. Here's a big bag of money, we need you to arrange it so that your expo happens on the same weekend as the Games Showcase event."
    
2. Organise a Q&A session / Development Update-style session just a few hours after the trailer release so that the Community Managers can collate what's being said on various social media platforms and a 'friendly face' or two, e.g. Jorg, can respond to comments and discuss some of the benefits of the new sim. Tip-off the flight sim news providers that this Q&A session will be happening and worth watching, resulting in multiple channels to get MS' message across quickly.
   
   Oh, and perhaps let the better third party developers know in advance. They've all responded rather well considering they were completely unaware of this announcement and have to assume as to what compatibility may exist with their products.

Agree that taking as long as they did to respond allowed the negative commentary to develop.
 

Edited June 13, 20232 yr by F737MAX

29 minutes ago, scotchegg said:

I wonder how this will affect the scenery gateway launch…

I don't think it will effect it one iota.  I can't see how it can really.  We will see it soon, plus it should be carried over to 2024 as well.

 

1 hour ago, F737MAX said:

For a lot of people, spending $1,000 on add-ons for MSFS2020 (which rightly or wrongly was assumed to be 'a 10-year platform') is a significant amount to spend. Potentially seeing that all go up in smoke for a similar and not ground-breaking follow-up release would, rightly, be upsetting.

 

In fact, this comment was after the FAQ was released. He wasn't worried about the compatibility of his addons. He essentially said that since he spent over $1000 on marketplace purchases, he was entitled to receive the new version for free.

Anyway, I agree with you on how terrible this announcement was. You know how bad it was when the announcement left more people worried than excited. For me, they shouldn't have given the announcement now with almost no details known. The FAQ clarified a few things, but many questions are still open.

The problem is that I don't think we'll know more details about MSFS 2024 in the coming days. Maybe not even in the next few months. Until then, people will continue to publicize their wild assumptions, cling to their pessimism as fact and third-party developers will see their product sales affected until MSFS 2024 is released.

19 hours ago, UrgentSiesta said:

If your "landmarks" are missing in the sim, you're likely using the wrong ones (I have this argument all the time with X-Plane default scenery bashers). Think Bigger.

It’s a big antenna that every VFR-pilot uses as reference after the take off vis the West- and South-route.

19 hours ago, UrgentSiesta said:

We all know the other limitations of the sim, and since you seem to be familiar with X-Plane, you're SURELY familiar with all the missing/inaccurate/features over there.

Sure, XP isn’t perfect. It’s cons are mostly graphical ones (Antialiasing, blending of horizon and clouds etc.). That’s why i said that graphically MSFS was clearly better.

19 hours ago, UrgentSiesta said:

MSFS does certain other things better than or as well as. And there are many "in real" pro pilots who prefer MSFS because it fits their particular preferences better.

I simply answered your statement that MSFS was by far more realistic. I disagreed (except the graphics) and gave many reasons. You didn’t mention one single conter-example but find some planes being « pretty good » or « decent ». So i still cannot clearly see why MSFS could be by far more realistic, when in fact it is at best equal in some aviation-related points.

I basically used both sims as well but have been disappointed by some aspects of MSFS (as well as some aspects of XP had disappoint me). And I am just once again disappointed to see that MSFS2024 doesn’t go into the right direction of needed improvements. Just my 2 cents.

Edited June 14, 20232 yr by Franz007