June 28, 20232 yr Its here: https://www.prepar3d.com/news/announcements/2023/06/121250/ £47 for those in the UK, has to be permanently connected to internet.😬
June 28, 20232 yr I am always connected to the internet, I assume if one wants live weather (or using navigraph) - connection to the internet is needed. Heck, I am on PE network, so I need net connection all the time. No net connection means, omg in my house (at times, it is like end of the world....) I do know situations where users are offline, and they will have to plan accordingly. I don't even think I can even use MSFS2020 without net connection. Honestly nothing really changed...can't wait for a new sim (yay) Edited June 28, 20232 yr by Skywolf How I Evaluate Third Party Sim Addon Developers Refined P3Dv5.0 HF2 Settings Part1 (has MaddogX) and older thread Part 2 (has PMDG 747)
June 28, 20232 yr Agreed Skywolf. My assumption here would be that LM is trying to deter their business clients from refusing to pay for the appropriate license fee. I would think most people in their homes would have an internet connection.
June 28, 20232 yr 6 minutes ago, Skywolf said: I am always connected to the internet, I assume if one wants live weather (or using navigraph) - connection to the internet is needed. Heck, I am on PE network, so I need net connection all the time. No net connection means, omg in my house (at times, it is like end of the world....) I do know situations where users are offline, and they will have to plan accordingly. I don't even think I can even use MSFS2020 without net connection. Honestly nothing really changed...can't wait for a new sim (yay) While true that it's not an issue for 99% of users, it still leaves a bad taste in one's mouth when it's purely for DRM (MSFS requires a connection, but the user gets something out of it) and they kept the watermark. This is a regression, albeit a small one, compared to V5.
June 28, 20232 yr 6 minutes ago, chapstick said: While true that it's not an issue for 99% of users, it still leaves a bad taste in one's mouth when it's purely for DRM (MSFS requires a connection, but the user gets something out of it) and they kept the watermark. This is a regression, albeit a small one, compared to V5. At least for my purposes, that small regression saves me $140 😊. I never felt comfortable with the academic caveat in the license.
June 28, 20232 yr So who says they are not trying to compete with MSFS then? This could be interesting. I wonder what part if any Unreal Engine played in this? There is a video too: Edited June 28, 20232 yr by FBW737 Intel Core i9-10900K at 5.2GHz, Corsair H115i PRO, ASUS MAXIMUS XII HERO Z490, G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) 15-16-16-36, ASUS TUF Gaming GeForce RTX 3090, SAMSUNG 970 EVO PLUS M.2 2280 1TB x 3, Corsair HX Series HX1000 Watt PSU, Pimax Crystal LIght.
June 28, 20232 yr having looked at the video I think I can answer my own question. It still looks like FSX out of the box.😒 Intel Core i9-10900K at 5.2GHz, Corsair H115i PRO, ASUS MAXIMUS XII HERO Z490, G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) 15-16-16-36, ASUS TUF Gaming GeForce RTX 3090, SAMSUNG 970 EVO PLUS M.2 2280 1TB x 3, Corsair HX Series HX1000 Watt PSU, Pimax Crystal LIght.
June 28, 20232 yr 8 minutes ago, FBW737 said: So who says they are not trying to compete with MSFS then? This could be interesting. I wonder what part if any Unreal Engine played in this? There is a video too: Nothing that you're saying has any relation whatsoever so what Lockheed has shared regarding the licenses. Nothing they stated has anything to do with competing with MSFS or the Unreal engine.
June 28, 20232 yr 1 minute ago, chapstick said: Nothing that you're saying has any relation whatsoever so what Lockheed has shared regarding the licenses. Nothing they stated has anything to do with competing with MSFS or the Unreal engine. So what! In any case if you think that the license change has nothing to do with competing for a share of the home user market i.e. closing the barn door after the horse has already bolted be my guess. I'm entitled to my opinion too. Intel Core i9-10900K at 5.2GHz, Corsair H115i PRO, ASUS MAXIMUS XII HERO Z490, G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) 15-16-16-36, ASUS TUF Gaming GeForce RTX 3090, SAMSUNG 970 EVO PLUS M.2 2280 1TB x 3, Corsair HX Series HX1000 Watt PSU, Pimax Crystal LIght.
June 29, 20232 yr "No perpetual cost"...I wonder what would that mean. My English is not good enough for that. Best regards,Luis Hernández Main rig: self built, AMD Ryzen 7 5700X3D (with SMT off and CO -50 mV), 2x16 GB DDR4-3200 RAM, Nvidia RTX 5060Ti 16GB, 256 GB M.2 SSD (OS+apps) + 2x1 TB SATA III SSD (sims) + 1 TB 7200 rpm HDD (storage), ID-Cooling SE-224-XTS air cooler, Viewsonic VX2458-MHD 1920x1080@120-144 Hz (G-sync compatible), Windows 11. Running P3D v5.4 (with v4.5 scenery objects as an additional library, just in case), FSX-SE, MSFS2020, MSFS2024 and even FS9! Lossless Scaling for all my sims. What a godsend...Mobile rig: ASUS Zenbook UM425QA (AMD Ryzen 7 5800H APU @3.2 GHz and boost disabled, 1 TB M.2 SSD, 16 GB RAM, Windows 11 Pro). Running FS9 there .VKB Gladiator NXT Premium Left + GNX THQ as primary controllers. Xbox Series X|S wireless controller as standby/mobile.
June 29, 20232 yr No academic anymore, now "Personal". i9-13900K | 6400MHz DDR5 (32GB) | GeForce RTX 4090 24GB MSFS 2024 | PMDG 777-300ER | FBW A380X | Fenix A320 | ini A350
June 29, 20232 yr To avoid the obnoxious and petty watermark (and look cool « ya know, me, I am a real simmer so I bought the pro version »), one had to fork out 140 USD more, for v6 it is going to be 290 USD (two hundred ninety, yep ! ). Inflation ! Dominique Simming since 1981 - [email protected] GHz with 16 GB of RAM and a 1080 with 8 GB VRAM running a 27" @ 2560*1440 - Windows 10 - Warthog HOTAS - MFG pedals - MSFS Standard version with Steam
June 29, 20232 yr Surely this change reflects the desire of LM to compete with MS2020 in the non commercial space or at least to keep what is left of its non commercial/professional user base. I mean in my case there is no way I would spend something north of 250 AUD for P3Dv6 but if all my Orbx scenery etc and my long haul airliners are ported over with a minimum of fuss I just might spend 90 AUD on v6. Bruce Bruce Bartlett Frodo: "I wish none of this had happened." Gandalf: "So do all who live to see such times, but that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us."
June 29, 20232 yr I am curious what the internet connection is for. As some say, it may be for weather or navigation functionality, but apparently the Professional version can work in an "disconnected environment". Presumably that version would have as good or better weather and navigation features as the academic version, even whilst disconnected. Ian S
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