40 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

The item that I did not see on any of the button menus  in Beyond ATC is a way to change either the active runway for takeoff, or on approach for  landing.

This isn't implemented yet but the final version should definitely have this option, so the developer said.

Beta didn't start yet and the final release probably is still months away. The final release should also have VRF VFR support and afaik the dev didn't even start working on that: it's all IFR right now. So in other words: the product is far from finished and a lot may stil change! I do know the dev is very approachable and active on the B-ATC Discord server and he is open for all suggestions so... this may perhaps indeed become THE ATC addon we've all been waiting for. 😉 It certainly has a lot going for it and I wouldn't be surprised if B-ATC replaces (in my case) FSHud on the day of release. (I almost feel sorry for the FSHud dev... he did a lot of things right but B-ATC seems to do a few things better (if we forget about controlling the AI for now).)

Edited July 5, 20232 yr by tup61

2 minutes ago, motishow said:

Is only voice control?

No, also button control. Watch the video and see the options you can 'say' on the lower left in the UI: you can click those optios and the computer will 'say' the appropriate things. I suppose you can also do the same by pressing keys (but I'm not sure about that yet). You can also let the addon reply etc. all by itself (like a AI co-pilot), just like you can autotune the frequencies if you want to.

Edited July 5, 20232 yr by tup61

17 minutes ago, tup61 said:

The final release should also have VRF support and afaik the dev didn't even start working on that: it's all IFR right now.

You mean VFR support, right? Which would indeed make it interesting for me.

Kind regards, Michael

8 minutes ago, pmb said:

You mean VFR support, right? Which would indeed make it interesting for me.

Kind regards, Michael

Yes, VFR indeed. 😉

And talking about that... the team working on B-ATC consists of only 2 guys... VFR is something totally different than IFR (there is a reason why a lot of ATC addons only do IFR) so I do wonder if the dev knows what he is taking on here... He also stated a release in 2023 is the goal but when I look at the latest video and see what is still missing it wouldn't surprise me if we won't see B-ATC before 2024... (I consider myself lucky to be on the beta! 😉 )

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22 minutes ago, tup61 said:

Yes, VFR indeed. 😉

And talking about that... the team working on B-ATC consists of only 2 guys... VFR is something totally different than IFR (there is a reason why a lot of ATC addons only do IFR) so I do wonder if the dev knows what he is taking on here... He also stated a release in 2023 is the goal but when I look at the latest video and see what is still missing it wouldn't surprise me if we won't see B-ATC before 2024... (I consider myself lucky to be on the beta! 😉 )

He also said doing the VFR part will be much easier than the IFR part, so he wanted to get IFR ready first and VFR would be done after that.

2 minutes ago, Alvega said:

He also said doing the VFR part will be much easier than the IFR part, so he wanted to get IFR ready first and VFR would be done after that.

Ah, missed that. 😉 Makes me wonder though why other developers seem to have problems with VFR... But perhaps it's just because IFR usually needs more ATC than VFR and they can't be bothered with it? Anyway, it's a good (and wise!) thing B-ATC will offer VFR support too!

13 minutes ago, tup61 said:

Ah, missed that. 😉 Makes me wonder though why other developers seem to have problems with VFR... But perhaps it's just because IFR usually needs more ATC than VFR and they can't be bothered with it? Anyway, it's a good (and wise!) thing B-ATC will offer VFR support too!

Usually VFR ATC, is just departing and approaching and airport, and flight following if able, once you are 5 miles from airport. Not complicated at all. 

19 hours ago, rob0203 said:

Promising new ATC addon!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BH_pN0xK3rk

BTW, were you not the one claiming a few months ago that FSHuD was the best ATC program in the entire world, and would replace all other ATC programs in flight simming?   LOL....

Just now, Bobsk8 said:

BTW, were you not the one claiming a few months ago that FSHuD was the best ATC program in the entire world, and would replace all other ATC programs in flight simming?   LOL....

To be fair, until you got the 737, you thought the Fenix was amazing. 🙂

23 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

BTW, were you not the one claiming a few months ago that FSHuD was the best ATC program in the entire world, and would replace all other ATC programs in flight simming?   LOL....

More competition is allways better for us flightsimmers! 😉

FSHud still does a good job and really like the AI system, but a turnoff for me now is the overvectoring, giving too much headings....
Hope they will fix that, anyway it has a really active development also, so let's see where it goes.

Also a new version of VoxATC for MSFS is in Beta, with new interface and new features...
VoxATC also generates its own AI and did that really good in former flightsimulators!

Choices enough! Anyway I'll buy them all.......

 

Edited July 5, 20232 yr by rob0203

It would be lovely to see a collab between all these competing ATC programs. FSHud controlling the actual AI, BeyondATC with the AI dialogue, voiceset, and user-generated procedures, VoxATC with proper terminology, diversions, alternates, etc.

But if I had to pick just one, it's going to be a toss up. They all have really great positives and dedicated devs.

1 hour ago, Bobsk8 said:

Usually VFR ATC, is just departing and approaching and airport, and flight following if able, once you are 5 miles from airport. Not complicated at all. 

Controlled airspace transitions also...

24 minutes ago, WestAir said:

It would be lovely to see a collab between all these competing ATC programs. FSHud controlling the actual AI, BeyondATC with the AI dialogue, voiceset, and user-generated procedures, VoxATC with proper terminology, diversions, alternates, etc.

But if I had to pick just one, it's going to be a toss up. They all have really great positives and dedicated devs.

BeyondATC is currently more procedurally accurate than vox...

1 hour ago, rob0203 said:

More competition is allways better for us flightsimmers! 😉

FSHud still does a good job and really like the AI system, but a turnoff for me now is the overvectoring, giving too much headings....
Hope they will fix that, anyway it has a really active development also, so let's see where it goes.

Also a new version of VoxATC for MSFS is in Beta, with new interface and new features...
VoxATC also generates its own AI and did that really good in former flightsimulators!

Choices enough! Anyway I'll buy them all.......

 

That was the one thing I didn't like about Pro ATCX when I used it years ago. I don't need ATC giving me vectors from one waypoint to the next when I am flying a Sid or a STAR. If I remember the voices in Vox ATC were a real turnoff. 

27 minutes ago, Ilari Kousa said:

BeyondATC is currently more procedurally accurate than vox...

Have the devs hinted at when they might release a feature list? I'd love to know how wide of a net they're casting.

The NAS is ridiculously messy with many local quirks. In the real world, you might be flying into North Las Vegas airport and be told by Harry Reid International's approach controller to "Fly towards the Stratosphere, we'll call your turn." or you might be flying into KMYF in San Diego but be lined up for KNKX by accident, and the controller who sees this almost daily might go "72H looks like you're lined up for Miramar. Turn left and enter the right base for 28R."

AI can absolutely help get closer to that level of realism, and the fact that BeyondATC is streaming allows for it to have a very large memory. It would be great to know exactly what's offered, especially when competing programs have had decades of dev time getting them where they are.

Edited July 5, 20232 yr by WestAir