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Fenix A320 (Fifi V2) Current Status Query

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1 minute ago, BrammyH said:

I agree, however, in this case I don't think it was to drive clicks. I reqound a few minutes past the "this is bad word" comment, and he was asked if he would ever fly X-Plane. His response was the rant. If he posted a video "The Fenix handles like excrement" then I would fully agree. It was an off-the-cuff remark that gained a lot of traction.

Videos use to be good till he started talking bad about developers calling them out with legal stuff and what not. In no way is that helpful. Suppose to be a pilot, offer assistance. I bet they would like that help but no continue to talk bad over social media for clicks.
 

Go back to his FSS videos he made 4 within 2 days I believe it was and people started commenting how bad he had got. 

Look forward to the next FSS video no doubt be full on with bad comments for it. 
 

He said he would rather fly in X-Plane since that is better. He does not even have X-Plane from what I’ve seen. I’m sure the pilots like V1 would rather fly in MSFS with the Fenix and actually know what they are talking about 

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I don't really follow a lot of his content these days. Mostly it's just because the subject matter doesn't really interest me. It is rare I can catch a stream from anyone these days.

There were more critical comments than the one on V1, I especially remember the first comment on this video.

 

 

1 hour ago, carlanthony24 said:

Videos use to be good till he started talking bad about developers calling them out with legal stuff and what not. In no way is that helpful.

It was very helpful. The developer in question deserved it.

1 hour ago, carlanthony24 said:

He said he would rather fly in X-Plane since that is better.

That's not what he said... 

I love it when  people put word's in other people's mouth.

 

He said that he wants to train at home for his Type Rating and the Fenix does not cut it because it is word not allowed for handflying. That is why he considers buying X-Plane so that he can train the Airbus in there. But he himself was not sure if that is such a good idea, because that is the only reason for him to get X-Plane.

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10 minutes ago, Farlis said:

It was very helpful. The developer in question deserved it.

Not in the slightest like I said ways of doing things. They rectified and he still goes on. Also said before about defamation would not have a leg to stand on with the way he still talks trash on even Cease and desist. 

A lot feel the same way about how he does think. 

Bottom line is if you keep hating products and saying unnecessary things keep calling things out instead of helping by speaking and working with them directly it rarely solves things.

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Ultimately, as I often say - the internet is the free world, people are completely entitled to their opinions and commentary. The clip was certainly sent to me dozens of times in the last 12 hours or so, and I found it quite interesting. Emi does have a direct line to me, and has DM'd me in the past to let me know he awarded the Fenix the "best airliner of 2022" or something of that sort on his channel, and I have indeed replied with a thanks and all that, so this came out of the blue, but nonetheless as I say, free world and people can say what they like out there!

I suppose, for me, there is a difference between providing constructive feedback and simply calling something "garbage" and leaving it at that. We can really only iterate on feedback and criticisms that are helpful and constructive, and have worked toward those issues with feedback from other "real pilot" streamers such as Blackbox, V1, etc, when they shine a light on something that isn't quite right, as they often do in their live streams. No one is out there stating that the FM is perfect, but certainly other A320 pilots that create content have had some positive takeaways and some negative - the difference is we can act on their feedback as it is put across with some detail, but we cannot with Emi's. With his ability to reach out to me directly and share his concerns, and have them addressed - we could have built something around some of his criticisms to better encapsulate the feel he gets from the aircraft, but that is an aside - I don't quite have any hard feelings about any of it, I just.. don't really see much of what I can actually do with it, which is a shame - as our only interest is to address the issues that matter. 

In any case, we've rebuilt the flight model and rewrote the fly by wire based on the constructive feedback from other folks, inside and outside of the beta team, along with the gripes from the wider community - and this has been received very well from our team of internal testers and multiple A320 training captains with a few thousand hours on type, so I hope when V2 shows up, we can get an upgrade from "garbage" in his opinion 😁

Finally, I will just leave this here - as his point of comparison is that of a couple of simulator sessions in an A330 sim. https://www.pprune.org/tech-log/638824-difference-flare-behavior-between-a330-200e-300e-bonus-question.html

Aamir Thacker

39 minutes ago, Farlis said:

It was very helpful. The developer in question deserved it.

That's not what he said... 

I love it when  people put word's in other people's mouth.

 

He said that he wants to train at home for his Type Rating and the Fenix does not cut it because it is word not allowed for handflying. That is why he considers buying X-Plane so that he can train the Airbus in there. But he himself was not sure if that is such a good idea, because that is the only reason for him to get X-Plane.

Train at home for his type rating. It was more to do with the cost per what he said in the video that he did not want to move over to it. Personally the hand flying is worse in X-plane and people prefer P3D or MSFS. Not a case of that is not what he said. He did not like hand flying the Fenix but would prefer X-plane for it..... I take that has X-plane is better for it.

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42 minutes ago, Farlis said:

He said that he wants to train at home for his Type Rating and the Fenix does not cut it because it is word not allowed for handflying

I am reallyhaving a hard time believing any plane in a consumer sim sim hand flies close enough to be a valid trainer for type rating. Systems and workflows, yes.

2 hours ago, Farlis said:

Funny how you get all defensive and do accuse people of "slandering for clicks". Do you happen to have first hand flying experiene with either the Airbus-Family or B737?

 

 

Funny enough I've been in a Level D sim for Airbus but not the 737 and its totally different to what the sim feels like. Also having been crew and being able to sit in the flight deck for some flights, seeing the pilots manoeuvre, talking about the differences is really something sims don't come close and even Level D sims are all different. Hot discussion in Discord and we all put our points across how we feel was not the only one to think the same. Not the first time people have said the same on Youtube either....

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16 minutes ago, Aamir said:

Ultimately, as I often say - the internet is the free world, people are completely entitled to their opinions and commentary. The clip was certainly sent to me dozens of times in the last 12 hours or so, and I found it quite interesting. Emi does have a direct line to me, and has DM'd me in the past to let me know he awarded the Fenix the "best airliner of 2022" or something of that sort on his channel, and I have indeed replied with a thanks and all that, so this came out of the blue, but nonetheless as I say, free world and people can say what they like out there!

I suppose, for me, there is a difference between providing constructive feedback and simply calling something "garbage" and leaving it at that. We can really only iterate on feedback and criticisms that are helpful and constructive, and have worked toward those issues with feedback from other "real pilot" streamers such as Blackbox, V1, etc, when they shine a light on something that isn't quite right, as they often do in their live streams. No one is out there stating that the FM is perfect, but certainly other A320 pilots that create content have had some positive takeaways and some negative - the difference is we can act on their feedback as it is put across with some detail, but we cannot with Emi's. With his ability to reach out to me directly and share his concerns, and have them addressed - we could have built something around some of his criticisms to better encapsulate the feel he gets from the aircraft, but that is an aside - I don't quite have any hard feelings about any of it, I just.. don't really see much of what I can actually do with it, which is a shame - as our only interest is to address the issues that matter. 

In any case, we've rebuilt the flight model and rewrote the fly by wire based on the constructive feedback from other folks, inside and outside of the beta team, along with the gripes from the wider community - and this has been received very well from our team of internal testers and multiple A320 training captains with a few thousand hours on type, so I hope when V2 shows up, we can get an upgrade from "garbage" in his opinion 😁

Finally, I will just leave this here - as his point of comparison is that of a couple of simulator sessions in an A330 sim. https://www.pprune.org/tech-log/638824-difference-flare-behavior-between-a330-200e-300e-bonus-question.html

Aamir, your post surprises me. I send you two support tickets and that single one discord message.
One of the supporttickets is unanswered to this date, on discord you took over a week to reply. The other supportticket ended with "we'll escalate it" and I never heared back.
Sure enough, those support tickets were on different topics than manual flight dynamics, but I can barely call that a direct line and share your picture of "we're open for input, he just got to give it to us". Motivation to create detailed feedback is rather slim, seeing that my last video I sent your support back in may remained unanswered.
Apart from that you said yourself that the fly by wire has been reworked since the last update. Only that the public is waiting for an update since 9 months now. You know first hand how much changes are typically made within that time and as a long time flight sim software tester I know as well that within 9 months pretty much everything can change. Once you release the new version I'll be happy to comment on its new behaviours, but for now I'd see that as a waste of time since anything I could comment on would be out of date since 9 months already.

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the difference is we can act on their feedback as it is put across with some detail, but we cannot with Emi's

So what about all those streams where I did give such feedback?
Like the plane descending much too fast at 250kt and IDLE thrust below FL100?
Like the approach N1 being too little?
Like VNAV descend profiles being off?
Like the planes delayed and unnatural response to sidestick input?
How about my RNAV approach where the plane just got me in 2000ft too high?
If you say you didn't recieve any usable feedback from me, then I'd love to know which of my Airbus streams you watched? Plenty of feedback in any. Just no update around to adress any of them.
But as said earlier, what's the use to write up all those bugreports, when the version you're on is 9 months newer than mine and probably totally different?
Get us an update and I'll be happy to get you some feedback on that update.

It's funny honestly that he is adamant about bashing developers now that  he's got some popularity. His motive behind it can only be inferred and speculated. It is important to recognize that MSFS is NOT a Level-D simulator. He is NOT an A320 pilot, nor an Airbus pilot at the time of his criticism. He's well within his space to do it, but it is extremely poor taste to bite the hand that feeds you when it comes to early access copies. Yes, devs want feedback. If something sucks, then by all means they're the ones to be told. Bashing in public like that is merely a publicity stunt and the way he did it was very unprofessional. As someone who has participated in betas and other early access AND is an experienced airline pilot, I would hesitate to ask for his assistance. Actions have repercussions, you can't expect to put someone down and them to be happy about it. I've stopped watching his videos since he decided to change from being a productive, helpful content creator to ranting and shaming developers. 

Alex Brinson

7 minutes ago, 737NG Driver said:

So what about all those streams where I did give such feedback?

Not Airbus-related, and more of an aside, but how does the PMDG 737 hand-fly in relation to the real plane? What are the major differences you have seen? If you were going the other way, and moving from Airbus to 737, would the PMDG be a good training aide for a type rating?

7 minutes ago, 737NG Driver said:

Aamir, your post surprises me. I send you two support tickets and that single one discord message.
One of the supporttickets is unanswered to this date, on discord you took over a week to reply. The other supportticket ended with "we'll escalate it" and I never heared back.
Sure enough, those support tickets were on different topics than manual flight dynamics, but I can barely call that a direct line and share your picture of "we're open for input, he just got to give it to us". Motivation to create detailed feedback is rather slim, seeing that my last video I sent your support back in may remained unanswered.
Apart from that you said yourself that the fly by wire has been reworked since the last update. Only that the public is waiting for an update since 9 months now. You know first hand how much changes are typically made within that time and as a long time flight sim software tester I know as well that within 9 months pretty much everything can change. Once you release the new version I'll be happy to comment on its new behaviours, but for now I'd see that as a waste of time since anything I could comment on would be out of date since 9 months already.

So what about all those streams where I did give such feedback?
Like the plane descending much too fast at 250kt and IDLE thrust below FL100?
Like the approach N1 being too little?
Like VNAV descend profiles being off?
Like the planes delayed and unnatural response to sidestick input?
How about my RNAV approach where the plane just got me in 2000ft too high?
If you say you didn't recieve any usable feedback from me, then I'd love to know which of my Airbus streams you watched? Plenty of feedback in any. Just no update around to adress any of them.
But as said earlier, what's the use to write up all those bugreports, when the version you're on is 9 months newer than mine and probably totally different?
Get us an update and I'll be happy to get you some feedback on that update.

If you really want to help, you would not rely on developers to watch your streams to find issues. You would take YOUR time to clip certain portions that you have issue with and actually provide feedback instead of saying something is "S***." There is a respectful and helpful way to contribute to the community and you are not a leader in it, if anything you're attempting to be a whistleblower and cause controversy. I'm not sure if the "fame" of being a youtuber has got to you but I'd recommend having more humility. You're a pilot in a small community.

Alex Brinson

2 minutes ago, BrammyH said:

Not Airbus-related, and more of an aside, but how does the PMDG 737 hand-fly in relation to the real plane? What are the major differences you have seen? If you were going the other way, and moving from Airbus to 737, would the PMDG be a good training aide for a type rating?

He has an entire series of videos on the PMDG 737, I would think that he is much more positive about PMDG products. 

 

 

 

Just now, Bobsk8 said:

He has an entire series of videos on the PMDG 737, I would think that he is much more positive about PMDG products. 

I'd recommend flightdeck2sim for genuine, unemotional, accurate information. I'd also venture to say he's probably got loads more experience in it as well. Same with V1 Simulations regarding Airbus.

Alex Brinson

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